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Daughter Defends Mom from Critics

Daughter Defends Mom from CriticsDear editor, I would like to respond to the director who wrote in response to my mom. I am as disappointed in that director as he seems to be when referring to my mom. 

First of all, I acknowledge him as Mr Doyle (as Caribarena published) and not as "whomever," because my parents taught me well growing up. I would like to let him know that my mother's name is Mrs Joyce Spencer, and not the "whomever" he referred to her as.  



Reading and understanding is not everyone’s priority, since some prefer to hear and see only what they are looking for. My mom did send a letter to your church at Clare Hall, and if they tell you otherwise, they are lying. I also get from reading the posts that some of his members also think it was someone from their church who wrote the letter. That says a lot for that church, doesn't it? It means that they are well aware of the matter. Well, well, if we were the type of bad people some made us out to be, I would say: "Mek arwe go pong tory," but "me too science."

To Caribarena and readers, my mom and I are very aware that there are lots of SDA clubs across our country. We are also aware that some of the members of these clubs are not SDA members and do not come from SDA homes. However, we also know that all of these clubs, like the director said, have rules, but it is the leaders who have to insist that the rules are followed and assist the children in following the rules. As mom said, she knew of a previous leader from that church at Clare Hall who did not condone such dress codes or behaviours.

I would like to posit that if this director was consistent with his checks at this particular church, then he would have known of this matter, for it did not start a few months or weeks ago. Unless perhaps when he’s making his checks, they know beforehand and thereby try to create a better impression of themselves for him to see.

What mom saw and experienced and felt is what she wrote about. I only wish she had listened to me. I told her to leave that matter alone, because those people cover up for each other and she was likely to be cursed at one way or another.

Now mom is actually saying that she would never again approach them on any issue that has to do with them (SDA members or their children).

Also, for the record of the director who wrote in response, there was absolutely no part of my mom's letter that suggested that all your 30 clubs have the same inappropriate behaviour or dress code. She spoke specifically of Clare Hall SDA and that was the focus. And to the young people who seem to be against her response to their behaviour and dress code, I know if you have good parents, they would not be proud of your attitude. 

I read the posts and I felt horrible for mom, but all that happens in the dark will come to light - that I say to the members. My mom only got a chance to read them for herself today, because I pick her up every weekend to spend time with my family.



I am not perfect, and my mother too is not perfect, and I am not suggesting that anyone is, but we can all strive to be, especially when we are in leadership capacity and those children do need to be pointed in a better direction.

I thank Caribarena once again for giving me and my mom the chance to be heard. My mom is and will continue to be a blessing to everyone. If the church had responded to the letter, mom would not have sent her letter to the media.

Also, Kim is the abbreviation for my real name, Kimberly, and anyone who wishes can feel free to curse me too.

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@ Marcia and George

#17 Michelle » 2012-05-14 17:52

Dearest Marcia and George,

At this time it is not about me or what I have done or not done. My only wish is to bring honour the to name of Christ. We are all Christians and I wish for this to be handled in a manner that is Christlike.

There is no issue or problem that is too late to deal with. I don't care about myself. My only one concern is for this issue to be resolved.

My one love and heart desire is to see the name of Jesus lifted up and exalted.

I ask Mrs. Spencer or Kim to call me.

God bless!!
Michelle
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@ Michelle - Now!!!

#16 Marcia » 2012-05-14 16:55

you want a call and a meeting, :oops: now!!!! now!!! and to boot you are not even one of the leaders who by the way should have been interested in doing sometihng like that.

:oops: Good move but you're a tit bit ambitious! unless of course Ms. Spencer want more drama in her senior years more than we have all probably given her online.

Have a nice day!
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Why did you and why now?

#15 Curious George » 2012-05-14 16:40

@ Michelle the past member of Clare Hall: Too late, too late shall be the cry! Your response is good but this should have been the response of your director since the letter was published! If i were in their place, i would not want to see you guys much more have a sit-down with you because so many have already cast stones at this family.

Oh, and by the way, exactly why did you leave Clare Hall SDA?? and is now a member at another church?
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Kimberly Call Me Please

#14 Michelle » 2012-05-14 09:04

Dear Kimberly,

I would like to apologize for the way this matter is handled and would like to get in touch with you.

I am a member of the Clare Hall SDA Church but have been visiting other SDA Churches.

Can you please call me at 773-8716 please. I think I can help in this matter.
I thank you for your concern and your mom's concern and will make sure with the help of the Lord and much prayer to solve this issue.
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Re: Daughter Defends Mom

#13 Former S.D.A Member » 2012-05-13 17:26

God is not the author of confusion....an d a house that is divided cannot stand. The word of God declares that If my people who are call by my name will humble themselves and pray, seek my face and turn from their wicked ways then i will hear from them and heal their land.
If we were at the place spiritually, kill flesh them this would be handled with prayer and fasting, for we wrestle not against flesh and blood but against pricipalities and powers of darkness in high places, we all need to come naked before God and Repent. This does not look good to allow the devil to step into the church like that....No wonder, we cant win soles. Isa 1: 18 says come not let us reason together, through your sins be as scarlet they shall be as white as snow.... vs 19 If ye be willing and obedient, ye shall eat the good of the land....It is not about might or power ....where is the unity in the house of God....Come on move into spiritual maturity.
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RE: Daughter Defends Mom from Critics

#12 Audrey Taylor » 2012-05-13 07:46

Dress codes are the least of your problems, where is the holy spirit I dont see the fruits of the spirt in any of this, where is the love , patience kindness and forebearance. in this Why was this matter handled in the press, should it not have been handled within the church???WHERE IS THE LOVE. NO WONDER ALL THE CHUCHES NCLUDING SDA SEEM TO UNINVITING TO PERSONS SEEKING A CLOSER RELATIONSHIP WITH GOD, yOUR ATTITUES QUENCE THE SPIRIT. gET YOUR PRIORITIES STRAIGHT DEAL WITH YOUR SECRET SINS
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@ Skyewell

#11 Michelle » 2012-05-13 00:21

An SDA is a Seventh-day Adventist.
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RE: Daughter Defends Mom from Critics

#10 Michelle » 2012-05-13 00:10

Dear Kimberly,

I am a Seventh day Adventist and also a member of the Clare Hall SDA Church.

I presently attend another SDA church. I visit Clare Hall once in a while. I have been away from Clare Hall for the past 7 or more years.

I thank your mom for writing the article and would love to sit with you both & talk. I am so very shocked at the responses you have gotton and would like to humbly apologize on behalf of the church and leadership.

Please give me a call. My number is 773-8716 I really would like to meet with you both.

Please wish your mom a Happy Mother's Day tomorrow and give me a call as soon as possible.

This link is a sermon by one of our pastors.
http://vimeo.com/40125797

Kimberly God bless you and Mrs. Spencer!!
Kind regards
Michelle Jack
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@jamule

#9 val » 2012-05-12 20:44

Dear jmoulf.
The only issue here is the irresponsible and down right unbiblical positions that you Adventists continue to defend.
For your information there is actually right and wrong in the world. Anything that is unbiblical is WRONG.
What the young ppl did was wrong.
The way your minister responded was wrong.
The "decision " to make baldwin spencer a pathfinder was wrong.
Now if you and other Antigua based Adventist want to continue to defend wrong-doing then good for you. I will not join you there .
You can explain all you want about people disagreement about decisions but wrong still is wrong.
And until your church start behaving like a bible based organization you will never get respected here again. Y'all really need to listen to what ppl say about your church and then maybe the shame would cause you to change your ways.
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to Val

#8 Proud SDA/ANU » 2012-05-12 20:43

To Val and anyone who wants to take this issue to attack Seventh Day Adventists in Antigua, I am proud to be a member of this Church and a citizen of this country.
Like any other organization we have our issues but our church and its youths have done a lot for this country. And Antigua's SDAs have done a great deal in the development of the Caribbean and SDA world Church.
We all have to make sure we put our own house in order so we can stand in peace before our maker.
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@Val Part 2

#7 JmoulF » 2012-05-12 15:23

I commend Kimberly for setting the Pastor straight, however, if she has an issue, there is an organisation in charge of the SDA churches on island called the South Leeward Mission of SDA. If she cannot get an proper response from the congregation in Clare Hall, take it up with SLM. When we have issues, though the issues are valid, we need to be careful of the channels that we use while seeking redress in the correct forum. Staying on the sidelines and reading, it seems like there is some sought of subliminal friction between the congregation in Clare Hall and the Lady Joyce/Kimberly. ..(my opinion). However, if we had more people like Lady Joyce, I am sure our society would be a better place. When we look around, and we see that people are wearing less and showing more...leaving little the imagination. Gone are the days when Carnival costumes were clothed art, now it's beach wear and glitter dust...tied up with cloth. There is nothing wrong with looking sexy, but you must look sexy at the right time and place.
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@Val Part 1

#6 JmoulF » 2012-05-12 15:16

Val's comment is just plainly irrational and...is simply pure rubbish!!!
The issue here is a group of young girls who failed to dress in accordance with proper stands and the Pastor's response...both valid. However, it does not give you the right to classify all Adventists as "shameless" and "sorry bunch". I took serious offence to your words because you are calling me shameless and bracketing me as a sorry bunch! Just like other churches, the Adventist have its share of issues. ADVENTISTS ARE NOT PERFECT, however, our imperfections do not give us the right to lower and compromise our standards. It's time for people commenting to stop making irresponsible and ignoramus statements and speak specifically to the issues. With regard to the comments about the PM and his affiliations with the church, the award were given...just like any decision taken by anyone on planet earth, people will be for it or against it. Let us try and raise a level of the conversation on the issue of the eroding moral values within our society.
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the SDA's are a shameless bunch

#5 val » 2012-05-12 13:43

Is this the same church that placed baldwin spencer as an honourary pathfinder?
He does not share their so called values or anything they claim to stand for!
What a shameless bunch these SDA churches here in Antigua represent.
No one should ever be taking these Adventists seriously!!
This lady merely pointed something wrong and instead of correcting the youth in their pathfinder group they shoot the messenger of good.
What a sorry bunch the Adventists
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Fearlessly honoring

#4 Tobi » 2012-05-12 13:17

What a great Mother's Day gift to have a daughter fearlessly defend her mother's honor.
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**ing contest? Where?

#3 skyewill » 2012-05-12 11:42

What's an SDA?
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RE: Daughter Defends Mom from Critics

#2 Independent » 2012-05-12 10:33

Job well done Kimberly. We're always too quick to defend or ignore issues instead of dealing with things openly or honestly in Antigua. We all talk about change in society and how much worse things have gotten over the years but we don't seem to realise that if each person would do the right things society would improve.
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RE: Daughter Defends Mom from Critics

#1 Woods » 2012-05-12 04:43

Well said Kimberly! Stay above and show what having 'class' is all about!
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