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Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

Two Resigned Two to be SackedAntigua St. John's - Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer has addressed the issue of the Senate vote, in which 4 senators voted against the controversial Citizenship by Investment (CIP) Bill. The Prime Minister's full speech is printed below:

Fellow Citizens and Residents of Antigua and Barbuda.
 
Over the past several months, the United Progressive Party Administration has been committed to adopting a Citizenship by Investment Programme as a means of strengthening and maintaining the gains achieved through our homegrown National Economic and Social Transformation Programme.

Having carried out some eighteen months of investigation and examination which included a continuing review of the pros and cons, the merits and possible demerits of introducing such a programme, and consultations both locally and with experts and governments involved with similar progammes, a Citizenship by Investment Programme Bill was tabled in Parliament and passed by the House of Representatives earlier this month.



A first Bill had been introduced in and passed by the House of Representatives in November 2012. The second Bill represented a marked improvement on the earlier Bill with significant changes to ensure the security and integrity of the Programme along with full disclosure to Parliament upon implementation and continuing.

It is your government’s belief that the operationalization of the Citizenship by Investment Programme will result in significant economic gains for Antigua and Barbuda and its people.

Infact, government’s 2013 Estimates of Revenue and Expenditure (The Budget) included a projected income of 32 million dollars from the Citizenship by Investment Programme and was passed by both the House of Representatives and the Senate.

In my New Year Message to the Nation, I dedicated a considerable amount of time in explaining  that the Citizenship by Investment Programme will assist in driving economic growth, create meaningful jobs, generate much needed revenue to assist in maintaining and enhancing our social programme, improve our infrastructure, educate and train the population, provide decent and improved healthcare and promote healthy lifestyles through sports, recreation and the pursuit and advancement of our cultural heritage.

I emphasized that the three main pillars of the investment programme would be real property, business, non-profit projects like sports, education, culture, and the environment, and public-private partnerships sponsored by the government.

I am fully conscious of some of the concerns that have been expressed by members of the public, and having taken these onboard, I am equally and even more convinced now that all the necessary mechanisms and safeguards have been put in place to allay these fears and concerns.

It is not a perfect world, but we have structured the Investment Unit, placed qualifications for Agents and Service Providers, declared who would be ineligible as applicants, provided for Cabinet approval following a due diligence process, provided for vetting and performance criteria by the Antigua and Barbuda Investment Authority, allowed for deprivation of citizenship in certain circumstances, allowed for a review process by a Ministerial panel, and mandated that a detailed report be laid before Parliament every six months.

In other words, all the requisite precautions and due diligence exercises will be undertaken to protect the independence, integrity and viability of the programme, and the good name of Antigua and Barbuda. We have ensured that the risks to this country’s good name on the international platform are minimal.

Over a week ago, the Citizenship by Investment Bill which was passed by the House of Representatives was up for debate in the Senate. Prior to that, the leader of government business in the Senate, Dr. the Hon. Errol Cort held a caucus meeting among the government Senators to discuss the Bill along with the amendments proposed by the House.



This was an opportunity given for the government senators to informally discuss the Bill, address their concerns, and obtain greater clarity in respect of its provisions.  Not all of the Senators attended.

On Wednesday, February 13, 2013 the Senate failed to pass the Bill.

Significantly, this failure was due to four Government senators siding with the Opposition and voted against the Bill in its entirety.  This action by these four government senators constitutes a fundamental break with government’s policy.

What is worse is that their actions came as a bolt from the sky. At no time was I, as head of government and the mover of the Bill in my capacity as Prime Minister, informed or advised (whether formally or informally) of their deep and fundamental disagreement that would have led them to kill the bill, and by so doing, pull the rug from under the feet of the government.

As the one who piloted the Bill in the Lower House, I was charged with presenting the views of the Cabinet of Antigua and Barbuda and by extension speaking to the implementation of a declared policy decision of the Government.  The four Senators who voted with the opposition, in effect voted against their government’s own policy directive.

In our Westminster system of government, when government officials can no longer support the policies of government, especially at the parliamentary level, and demonstrate that by voting against a Bill, then the expected and right thing to do is to resign.

The actions of the senators in question are the clearest indication and which could only be capable of one interpretation, and that is they defeated a government Bill in the Senate.

Our Constitution provides for every citizen to enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of expression.  I must make it very clear - Government Senators have the same right, however with those rights come an equal right to act responsibly. Where those rights are exercised in clear conflict with the interest of the people of this nation whom the government serves, the time is also right to resign.

Our Constitution also provides for the appointment of Government Senators on the recommendation of the Prime Minister.  The right to recommend the recall of such Senators also rests with your Humble Servant.

In fairness to two of the Senators involved, David Massiah and Malaka Parker, they did seek and received an audience and sought to explain their actions, apologized for what their said actions would have done to the government’s policy on this issue and expressed their regrets for the embarrassment caused to both myself and the government and offered their resignation from the Senate.

Let me publicly commend these two individuals for their laudable gesture under the circumstances.

With respect to the other two Senators, Colin Derrick and Anthony Stuart, from whom nothing has been heard since that eventful Wednesday 13th February, 2013, decency, fairness and correctness demand that I advise the Governor General to revoke the instruments of appointment of Colin Derrick and Anthony Stuart and to declare their seats vacant.

I will in short order, advise the Governor-General of the names of persons to be appointed to the Senate pursuant to section 28(2) of the Constitution.



This decision was not taken lightly. These are individuals I have known and worked closely with over the years.  I have appreciated their contributions and support.

Much agony and pain accompany this decision, but in the final analysis, personal sentiments cannot override the compelling and irresistible need to act decisively in this instant case.

Thank you very much for listening and may God continue to bless this nation.
 

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lol

#94 grays » 2013-02-28 08:39

Malaka 'i am sorry' Parker
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antigua have no democracy

#93 college student » 2013-02-26 10:01

[youtube]The Sinking Ship (The Trinidad) - Gypsy [/youtube]
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SACKED Senators

#92 True Antiguan » 2013-02-25 22:32

Thin skinned puerile PM!

Every one is entitled to his or her opinion
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#91 Etta James » 2013-02-25 16:13

Politics is a "dirty" game. Is Shaun Nicholas sure she wants to get "tangled" up in this web?
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Interesting

#90 Observant » 2013-02-25 15:48

It would be interesting to see who the new Senators (yes-men) will be!
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#89 Patriot 2 » 2013-02-24 18:20

I agree with Dessalines. Tails I win..Heads you lose. How could our Prime Minister allow Gaston to outwit him like that ? I listened Gaston on Observer suggesting action be taken in order for our PM not to be considered a laughing stock. Spencer probably felt that he had to take action not to be called a laughing stock but this decsion was a bad one and I am sure that Gaston is laughing after him now.
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Referendum

#88 Referee » 2013-02-24 18:10

Referendum - it will result in a clear and decisive answer to the peoples will. Both ALP & UPP want this but the people don't. Hmm. It will happen regardless, brace yrself for the fallout.
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The King and I

#87 Lord Have Mercy » 2013-02-24 10:37

I am completely opposed to the CIP, but that does not cut off the oxygen to my brain preventing me from properly analizing the position of Dr Dr Hon BS.

The majority of UPP Government, Asot Michael, Gaston Brown and a host of other prominent individuals in Antigua honestly believe that it is a good idea in light of our failing economy.

Any good salesperson could sell several thousands Antiguan passports solely to Palestinians. ALP experimented with the concept and a few Antiguans got rich while a couple thousand chinese now have Antiguan passports. There are unsavoury characters all over the world willing to make CIP successful, but that is not the point.

I have absolutely no love for the UPP government, but the Prime Minister is a constitutional king and everything he did was completely lawful and in no wise dictatorial. If team UPP is advancing with an initiative that the king and the majority of the team believes will be good for the country. His appointed senators are required to get on board and show team spirit. Siding with the opposition is TREACHEROUS. They deserve to be banished ...
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#86 zzzzzz » 2013-02-24 10:36

i stopped listening to the snake. i realized the host was interested in getting rid of the ALP and anything else got a free pass. All the Agitators and NGO's the POWA's that existed prior to 04 were all disbanded they became Executive Secretary,Senat ors and Consultants with 3 and 4 jobs. The UPP was allowed to rule with reckless abandonment. what ensued was the wanton wastage on roads and sidewalks, fencing scandal,the WPP, and the Romanctic Rhythm concert all lack accountability and transparency.
the pm probably had to do what he did but the deception we come to accept from politicians is mind boggling. selling of passport is such a fundamental shift from the party ideals yet instead of trying to appease the dissenters. the pm silence the only hope to make the act palatable. Derrick and Stewart were not given an opportunity to see their objections apart of the bill. The senators were told pass it as is and the changes will be made later. what sensible persons would do that.
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Getting fired is worth the sacrifice

#85 The Independent » 2013-02-24 09:53

In a few months/years the impact of their dismissal on the country will be negligible. Had they voted for the Bill, the impact would be huge. Seems a small price to pay.
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The Time is NOW

#84 Young analyst » 2013-02-24 09:34

It is indeed time for us Antiguans to show mr. spencer how he got where he is now and who put him there, Sir please remember it was us who put you there and we can surely remove you, of course that we will.
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NO ONE WAS BETRAYED

#83 PEACE » 2013-02-23 20:18

Check it out: Members of the Lower and Upper Houses of Parliament on bothe sides of the ISLE Try to Discuss Bills,they do not READ and if they do Read the bills,the come over as if the do not UNDERSTAND what they are there to Discuss.

I THINK THE CHIEF SERVANT SHOULD CALL A PRESS MEETING WITH THE FLLNG: ALL HIS CABINET MEMBERS/ ALL HIS SENATORS / HIS PARTY EXC / HIS ADVISOR.AND TELL THE NATION OF ANTIGUA BARBUDA WE ALL RESIGN.
AT THAT PRESS MEETING SHOULD ALSO BE: THE CHRISTIAN COUNSEL /THE NGO'S /POWER.
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@ Never Again

#82 Morris » 2013-02-23 17:56

Good questions since they already included the proposed revenues from this program into the budget speech. If that is the case, then it has to be the biggest betrayal in the history of ANU.
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DadliMan

#81 tenman » 2013-02-23 17:46

DadliMan I too listened and I could not help wondering when is Cort accepting responsibility for his part in all of this? Based on what Steward said, Cort knew there was a problem. I then hear persons suggesting that they should not have voted down the bill but instead send it back to parliament for amendments. Isn't that Cort's job? Was it not he who put the bill to a vote? From Corts own words, he did not want to send the bill back for amendments. He stated that the changes can be made in the future. He decided to play chicken thinking that the senators would have simply sided with him. He lost his gamble. Those who think senators should not be guided by their conscience and should always bend to the person who put them there, need to read a man for all seasons by Robert Bolt. They may also consider taking a class in ethics.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#80 Auddie » 2013-02-23 17:45

Papa Doc Dr. BS show them how to turn Antigua into Haiti bring to there knees again where God wants them to be. You are the instrument of your father the Devil . Antiguans will have to show you who they really serve
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I TOLD YOU SO

#79 Fired Up » 2013-02-23 17:29

Once again my fears have been realized. When Antiguans elected this man, I knew he was nothing but trouble. I knew this because of the systems and Governments he aligned with. So Antiguans brace yourselves for a storm (I pray that I am wrong). Take a look at Cuba and Venezuela and try to predict what will happen next. Send this man and his cohorts packing before it is too late!
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#78 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-23 17:23

let us demand senators be elected by the people
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#77 Son Of The Soil » 2013-02-23 16:49

The Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer. took the right action by removing the senators. When you are a team you play as a team. If the four senators had issues with the CIP Bill it should be discussed in closed doors a vote should be taken and the majority rule. When they leave that room they should have left united as a team even though different views. When the bill entered the floor for a vote they should have voted in favor of the bill.
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Stand UP For Antigua!!!!!

#76 Never Again » 2013-02-23 16:22

I have a few questions that needs answers......
1. Who is appointed to head the CIP initiative?
2. Could it be that they have already been collection monies without the people of Antigua knowing?
3. Did Errol Cort, as the Leader of Gov't Business, pass on their concerns?
4. It it now against the law to have an opinion?
5. Are Senators 'yes' men and women?
6. Can the elections be called NOW??????
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Stand UP For Antigua!!!!!

#75 Never Again » 2013-02-23 16:17

I stand up and applause Sen Anthony Stuart & Sen Colin Derrick for the stand that they took for Antigua. You are men of honor and you both made me proud. I voted for the UPP in the last two election but NEVER AGAIN!!!!!! The Prime Minister is out of touch with reality and as soon as they are voted out of office I hope they will be sent to 1735 for a looooooong vacation because what he has done should be considered high treason.
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@ Ms Scotland

#74 DadliMan » 2013-02-23 16:07

I listened to Senator Stewart being interviewed, and he indicated that he did raise his concerns in caucus. Having done so, it was up to the Leader Of Government Business in the Senate to raise the said concerns with the PM. The Senators did not break protocol.
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MBS Accountant "When the Minister says Pay you pay"

#73 Observer » 2013-02-23 15:31

Anyone remembers Mr. Jarvis the accountant from the MBS. His defens was, when the Minister says pay you pay. That didn't hold up for the judge. He should have known better. His prefessional etiques should have guided him. even if that would have cost him his job. Now it has cost him his entire life. So also the Gill Lopez and Mark Kuhrt in the Stanford case. I say all of this to say, one has to standup and be counted for his or her actions in live. And Collin Derrick is so right. The hell with the job. Let BS do as he feels right. Is better to enter heaven with one eye then with two. Cut it off. Speak truth to power.
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Ms Scotland

#72 Free Thinkers » 2013-02-23 15:26

I accept that it might be protocol to advise your PM out of courtesy of your ooposition on a bill. But that aside. should you not be entitle to you own opinion and your own concience, whitout fear of being sacked. And if that what it takes it again makes it clear that the Senate is a rubber stamp of the government. I have a huge problem with stifleling freedom of expression in any shape or form. Senetors are appointed yes, but they should not be rubber stamps and do as they been told or else. All protocal aside. To bad if you select me and I don't support your policies. I didn't beg for the job. And mind you I have a timelimit.
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Things fall apart

#71 Ms Scotland » 2013-02-23 14:40

All four senators breached protocol. They should have notified the PM of their opposition to the bill, and the PM should have reconsidered moving forward with the bill or asked all four to resign before debating the bill in the senate. The opposition of four senators should also have given the PM pause, and the government MP’s had better start planning their exit strategy.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#70 JB » 2013-02-23 14:04

Hear my words, some serious karma go meet Baldwin spencer...he go bawl out he guts she de time come...woe to those who support wrong and stand by and be silent...when God say enough, is enough...mercy. ..
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#69 JB » 2013-02-23 13:59

Dictatorship... !
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#68 concern citizen » 2013-02-23 13:57

The prime Minister should be blaming himself for this fiasco. The P. M should have met with his staff/senators and discussed the issue with them. The P.M should have obtained assurances from them as to how they were going to vote. for the P. M to now say he was blindsided by the way in which they voted shows he did not do his home work. Mr. P.M it is bad enough that two of your senators resigned. I believe that you should not have accepted their resignations. Therefore, you should not be firing the other two senators. You removed all doubts as to whether or not you are a dictator. Your action is an embar**ment to the nation.
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Westminiser under fire

#67 Free Thinkers » 2013-02-23 13:56

i think we the group of free and independent thinkers should send a letter to the Queen and the British parliament and ask to look into this matter and tell us if this is how they envision the Westminister system to work. And that the senate is merely to be a rubberstamp of government policies. That any oppointed politician is infact a yes man to whomever appointed him/her. If this is the way it suppose to work then we would ask them why they are against outright dictatorship rather then this hidden make believe demo-crazy. At least we would not be confused. Just timelimit on the dictatorship. Do as you like in the time given to you. Wouldn't Obama love that. No congress to go to. May I suggest a new rule. No more appointments of Senators. They need to go to the polls like any other politician. And maybe we can have the same situation as in the US. With a house in charge of the government party and a senate in charge of an opposition party. Clearly this thing doesn't and cannot work. So Mr. fnpsr, let's change the fundamental things first, cause without a good foundation whatever you build is build in vain.
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@ **on

#66 Observer.. » 2013-02-23 13:29

Don't place your hopes in ALP. They are a very delinquent opposition party. Don't you see hwo they are missing in action. They will not even stir up the fire more at this time. Just total silence. This is a gentlemen's club. We the voters just have to chose the best of two evils. They didn't come to Gerald Watts and Paddy's rescue. No law suits for any vitimization. Nothing what so ever.
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Legalize Prostitution

#65 From The Sideline » 2013-02-23 13:21

The underlying reason that I am hearing from persons in favor of selling CIP is that it is good for the economy and that it will bring in much needed investment. So as one blogger stated it's all about the money. We are seeing this manisfestated more and more in our society. Young girls are selling their bodies to guys much older then them just for the money. Mothers are selling their daughters to older men just for the promise to assist financially in the household. This is what happens when people are financially challenced to the extreme. Sad but no one is really addressing this ill creeping up in our society. Morallity is going out of the windows. Our church leaders have a defning silence. Which I say they will one day have to come clean with their Lord. Why they could not speakout on behalf of the poor and the downtrodden. Why they couldn't speak against evil when they saw it. Are they fearing men more then God. Verely verely I say unto them. Time will come when they will say. Lord didn't we cast out devils in your name, He will say unto them, go away from me I never knew you.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#64 concern citizen » 2013-02-23 12:56

The Prime Minister was poorly advised.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#63 Morris » 2013-02-23 12:50

The PM said he was blind-sided and embar**ed. LOL

So, I guess he was/is not embar**ed or disappointed about Errol Cort (a senior member of his administration) has been involved in the Stanford debacle; that the WPP has turned out to be a total flop; that over $50 million was wasted on fences and other useless projects, while pressing issues were (and still are) left unattended; about the grip gun violence has on the nation under his stewardship; about all the unoccupied housing projects around the island (financial burdens to the citizens) that the intended target group still can't afford; about the high unemployment rate; about the lack of census data; about the inefficiencies of gov't; about politicians living high on the hog off the blood, sweat, and tears of the poor. However, he is so embar**ed and disappointed that a few senators stood up for the people of ANU who do not want to see their passports end up into the hands of international criminals that he fired them.

ANU has certainly fallen from grace, and the PM seems to be the one who is an embar**ment and a disappointment.
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Too Late!

#62 Voice of the People » 2013-02-23 12:23

My people it's too late! We are already foreign controlled! Look at Edmond Asot Mansoor stand up in Parliament and dare PM BS to fire him...because he will not be silenced!

Baldwin fraid to touch him! Yes people it's too late! The sons and daughters of slaves are now enslaved by the "moneyed" class! This failure by Baldwin to fire Mansoor - even after Mansoor dared him to do so publicly - then turn around and fire the Leaders of his Union and Party speaks volumes about twenty first century slavery!

Where is POWA? Where is the chamber of Commerce? Where are the churches? D. Giselle Isaac...i'm ashamed of you all! Where is your voice? You used to be so Nationalistic! Amazing what a little cheese can do! All of you are Judases in the UPP...! Sxoxl have plenty land to sell so he going give PM BS plenty Kibby and cabbage rolls.

Antigua GORN!
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re: dessalines

#61 fnpsr » 2013-02-23 11:35

Dessalines, I like your analysis. And now the coin toss:

Ref.: GB, since you are the opposition, you get to make the call.

GB: "Heads, I win. Tails, you loose!

Ref.: Tail, it is! GB, which end do you want?

GB: Depend on the wind!

"Let's fix the little things with RWE before we attempt to fix the big things."
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#60 labourite » 2013-02-23 11:28

dr dr your basket is empty,you definitely run out of options...Can you move some of your blind fanatics in the lower house to replace the vacant post in the upper house and rubber stamp your stupid ego? I definitely admire your makavelian system of govt. and not the west minister.CHUPZ
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King Baldwin

#59 Wadadli Blogger » 2013-02-23 11:18

King Baldwin said ... "Our Constitution provides for every citizen to enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I must make it very clear - Government Senators have the same right, however with those rights come an equal right to act responsibly. Where those rights are exercised in clear conflict with the interest of the people of this nation whom the government serves, the time is also right to resign."

Well up to now I don't see how the Senators were in a "conflict with the interest of the people of this nation" ... they just saved the Nation from great embarrisment and shame!!!
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#58 Spin Doctor » 2013-02-23 11:16

I see our glorious dictator Baldwin Spencer is a student of history, unfortunately Joseph Goebbels is not a person that anyone with a shred of decency would model himself on.

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If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.
Mr Spencer will your next step be to tell us you are cancelling nest years elections for the good of the country?
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#57 Antiguan » 2013-02-23 11:10

let the people of Antiguan and Barbuda vote on CIP. It is our passport and we shold give you the mandate to sell or not sell
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Well played Gaston -heads i win tails you lose

#56 Dessalines » 2013-02-23 10:46

One must bear in mind that the initiative for selling passports came from Gaston Browne as early as 2009. Both the ALP and UPP members castigated Browne in Parliament for even broaching such a subject.
Fast forward to mid 2011 and suddenly the PM has an epiphany (after reports of Gaston's frequent visits to his home and office). The CIP program was back on track. The PM smelling elections coming up looked at the figures (US32 - 100 Million) and went full steam ahead. Gaston then covered his posterior in parliament by opposing the bill on grounds that the bill was not sold to the public properly and in solidarity with his party the ALP. If the bill p** he can take credit for it and if not at least it will serve to destabilize the UPP. Nice one.
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dictator...your time is fast approaching

#55 labourite » 2013-02-23 10:13

This ixiot just declared war on the ppl,because the actions of those 4 senators is the general view of the ppl.Westministe r system of what? After all the mismangement and foolishness your ministers have done over nine year,not a single minister including yourself resigned and it was expected that the right thing to do is to resign for all the ill decisions and misbehaviour in public office.what an ixiot.
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The public interest can't be sell out!

#54 Dig It » 2013-02-23 10:11

I urge the citizens of A&B to take their "democracy" seriously, and, to be more 'proactive' in our systems of government! If we don't, they will more "Causalities-of -Westminister" on our battlefields.
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In our Westminster system of government, when government officials can no longer support the policies of government, especially at the parliamentary level, and demonstrate that by voting against a Bill, then the expected and right thing to do is to resign.

It is said that our Westminister system is made of "coalitions," and, it is the duty of the PM to make sure those "coalitions" are "Happy" indeed. If not, they could be the threat of "non-confidence votes" to show justification of his actions/inactio ns. The real act of "bolt from the sky" is to undermine the "public interest" that the majority don't support CIP. Yet, there is nothing the public can say or do to convince the GOAB that this CIP may have "leaks-in-its-b ucket." It is worth "selling-your-s oul" over a few extra dollars?
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@morris

#53 Contractor » 2013-02-23 09:55

Antigua is already on a watch list. It’s aligned with Chavez, Iran, China and ALBA.
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POOR LEADERSHIP

#52 De Antiguan » 2013-02-23 09:09

LOOK HOW BALDWIN SPENCER'S POOR LEADERSHIP DESTROYING THE U.P.P.
HE SHOULD RESIGN TO SPARE THE NATIONN ANY MORE EMBAR**MENT
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Another "Error Caught"

#51 skyewill » 2013-02-23 09:02

The GG is up next. I wonder how she will react. In any case the fault of the embar**ment is the Leader of the Government business. How on earth did he allow a vote when he clearly had issues? YEP, "Error Caught" did another banged up job. It was his responsibility to put it together before it was presented. Looks like doing what you believe is right is not a good thing in Antigua. The PM should have taken this opportunity to address that incompetence and the fact the leader of government business has such a dismal track record. So if anyone speaks out against WPP they done? No wonder they so coward. I believe CIF with a WPP booster will kill UPP and they will lose the election if there is an election.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#50 Morris » 2013-02-23 08:26

I am fully conscious of some of the concerns that have been expressed by members of the public,....Our Constitution provides for every citizen to enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I must make it very clear - Government Senators have the same right, however with those rights come an equal right to act responsibly. Where those rights are exercised in clear conflict with the interest of the people of this nation whom the government serves, the time is also right to resign.

Apparently, this is a lie if the senators are being sacked for expressing their rights in voting their conscience, which is in sync with the sentiments of the public. Let me say this, this is being watched keenly by the international community, and will definitely complicate matters regarding the WTO issue with the US. In fact, they will put ANU (the gov't) on their watch list.
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Alligator skin Mansoor

#49 Hmmm » 2013-02-23 08:10

Where does Mansoor fit into this picture? Is his alligator skin to tough for the Double D PM to pierce? The Dictator has finally shown his true colors.
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@ Malaka Parker

#48 Young Woman » 2013-02-23 07:58

Malaka, I am disappointed that you resigned; you should have told BS to fire you if he had an issue with your decision. This however creates an opportunity for you to run independent. You have made the right decision to show the country that it is young people like you, who take a stand for what is right, that we should vote for.

Malaka Parker - Independent Candidate - to challenge and DEFEAT BS.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#47 DadliMan » 2013-02-23 07:31

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Where those rights are exercised in clear conflict with the interest of the people of this nation whom the government serves, the time is also right to resign.
Translated, Baldwin's interest is one and the same as the interest of the people. The man is clearly dellusional. The people of A&B are vehemently against the selling of our passports, yet in Baldwin Spencer's twisted mind, opposition to this Bill is opposition to the people's will.

This man's **isation of the Westminster system of government is pathetic. In the UK, members vote against their party all the time without being resigned or fired. Tony Benn represented the Labour Party for more than 50 years in the Lower House, and there was no greater critic of the Labour Party.

Baldwin has given new meaning to, "Whom the gods destroy, they first make mad".
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Thanks for showing me the upper house have power

#46 Dave » 2013-02-23 07:29

Well once upon a time I use to think that the upper house was a sham,thanks to these four senators I now see the light.i wonder what Winston Derrick would have said on this matter,and people remember that Winston Williams and Joanne massiah were absent and trust me a reason was their for that.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#45 Dave » 2013-02-23 07:22

Well at lease you guys don't have to feel guilty for selling what your fore parents work so hard for.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#44 Dave » 2013-02-23 07:21

How their you guys having a mind of you own
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dictator

#43 jus saying » 2013-02-23 07:15

Significantly, this failure was due to four Government senators siding with the Opposition and voted against the Bill in its entirety.  This action by these four government senators constitutes a fundamental break with government’s policy.Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/politics/103218-two-resigned-two-to-be-sacked.html?template=mobile#ixzz2Lif5Jq4gj


When did this country put a dictator in charge? Antigua politics gets sadder by the minute. Mr Spencer named boggy peak Mt obama unfortunately he has no Obama state of mind. When will we learn to put issues at the forefront sigh as a young antiguan im deeply saddened that our own leader has no respect for people opinion so as long as you don't agree with him you are forced out. Hmmmmm Antigua politics remind me of the book animal farm smh
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#42 R. Berry » 2013-02-23 07:00

In our UPP Dictatorship system of government, no government officials (or seemingly anyone else) can refuse to support the policies of BS, especially at the parliamentary level, or you will be forced to resign or be fired.

All hail fair speech, freedom of expression etc....I guess these are the only 4 that BS can hold accountable. If he's so sure that CIP is for the people of A&B, why doesn't he hold a referendum?
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#41 zzzzzz » 2013-02-23 06:44

dont mind the implosion of UPP. 25% of our GDP has vanished under their tenure. our finance ministers over last 9 years are record book material. Harold should go but he cant, because the party lacks talent. am tired of this pm saddling us dead weights a man spends 47 million on fences included in that is a bathroom for 600,000 without roof or windows and a viewing stand built with steel pipes for 8.5 million and he is the min of education. how come he wasnt fired.
Parker's presentations were always boring. she should seek higher education one winston williams is enough. stewart and the guy from the union never impress me. Derrick was a good security min but win ball for some reason thinks the world of Errol. he ruined finance now he failing miserably as a security minister but always gets a pass. I have always said i would never vote ALP, have to rethink that. we made a huge mistake we got a pm who wasnt ready and clearly not equipped to run a country. he is weak in his own govt all he does is travel . our future is at stake. we thought he was nice we liked him but he is incompetent as hell ,really useless.
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Sooner than later

#40 Watchful » 2013-02-23 04:49

Whenever a nation descends to the lowest levels where even in the highest body of the land is not immune from political cannibalization s,then it is time to change the leadership of that nation! This is one of the worst cases of blatant UPP self-victimizat ion and constitutional corruption that can exist anywhere! Prime minister baldwin Spence, in his desperation to cling to power have declared war on every intelligent freedom-loving Antiguan and Barbudan in this nation. With re-registration and elections looming, it is little wonder that a vicious few leaders in an unholy cabal within in the United Progressive Party are trying desperately to rage against the inevitable, which is that they see that their end is coming sooner rather than later! May God continue to help this nation!
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#39 Kenred » 2013-02-23 03:39

How Spencer does not see that the people do not want this program is difficult to understand. The senators were siding with the people of Antigua, not the ALP. I have voted for UPP every election. I will not not vote at all in the next election. Disappointed.
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@Cool Ruler

#38 Bnet » 2013-02-23 00:32

your mom drop you on your head, so you see only blue :eek:
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Asot

#37 ten » 2013-02-23 00:24

Poor Asot :sad: :sad: :sad: :sad:
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Clean Up in Aisle 4!

#36 Youthful Labourite » 2013-02-23 00:18

I know for certain now, a new candidate will be sought for City West and at the UPP's upcoming convention there will be a tussle for the leadership!

Four (4) UPP Senators gone a gwassa.....At last count Five (5) Senate seats are now EMPTY on the government benches.

Clean up on Aisle 4!
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no confidence

#35 anuson » 2013-02-23 00:13

Now is the time for the opposition to call for a vote of NO CONFIDENCE! UPP governance is an experiment gone a bad. A prescription with serious side effects. Sometimes, drugs have to be recalled because they have been proven to be bad for the population. UPP has been bad for Antigua and Barbuda. I used to curse Lesta. But lard! dis ya a murda! What a Prime Minister. Baldwin thin skin. Calypso go sweet this carnival!
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THE FINAL ANALYSIS IS

#34 OUTOFANTIGUA » 2013-02-23 00:11

To help push this UPP bus over the cliff.FNPSR you are like a voice crying in the wilderness with u r(lets fix the little things,before we attempt to fix the big thing).well u may recalled my blogg about fixing the ONE thing that will automatically take care of all the little things;every one knows what that this ONE thing is also the BIGGEST obstructing piece in the whole equation.Baldwi n spencer Leader of the Wadadli Maxia also knows that when the going gets tough; the Tough gets going. their BUS is stalled so lets give them a push.
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Observer ET AL

#33 tenman » 2013-02-23 00:04

Observer & Contractor its what I hear the PM calls guided (by him) democracy

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HOW TO BECOME A DICTATOR part 4

#32 Jon R » 2013-02-22 23:43

Set iconic examples
Now and then kill or reward someone, but do it in such a way that everybody knows about it. The major goal of these actions is not whatever you do to I don't care who, but to get your messages into everybody's head: "I am powerful, so choose: join me and become happy, or suffer. I made that kill for you, it was your enemy. Don't worry; I will protect you, but your help is wanted and will be rewarded."
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HOW TO BECOME A DICTATOR part 3

#31 Jon R » 2013-02-22 23:33

Brainwash
Rebuilding people's minds can turn many into willing slaves, which of course is very useful. This is the most important thing to master. It's not an easy task though, it's a delicate and slow process. Great tools to access and manipulate people's brains are:
- School
- Television
- Religion
- Radio
- Newspaper
- Internet
- Books
- Posters
- Music
- Special events
- Architecture
- Statues
- Pictures on money
That's why every dictator wants to control all of that. A dictator wants his messages in your head and no disturbing information from other sources. Other sources must be filtered carefully or be eliminated, and so with the people who do not respond well enough.
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modern world

#30 harlem » 2013-02-22 23:29

the art of communication is to be as simple as possible .you write a thousand words of mombojumble inartful words to tell a story that can be told in two hundred words.meanwhile the subject of the story is like a needle in a hay stack
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HOW TO BECOME A DICTATOR part 2

#29 Jon R » 2013-02-22 23:26

Make your new chums love you and your plan. Oh yes, you gotta have a PLAN! Tell them: you and your team of wise men got a great plan ánd the skills to realize them. Realizing your plan will benefit everybody, especially the ones who are having a hard time at this moment. The ones who abused this lovely community will do so no more; time they gave back what they stole! Anyhow; there's no better option around. Buy them some really welcome presents, and promise much more will come, IF everybody stands up to create your beautiful new world! Tell and give them everything they want. It doesn't really matter what, as long as your support grows and it doesn't obstruct your real plan. Don't show them any useful evidence of the real deal.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#28 Fed Up » 2013-02-22 23:24

Well done Dr BS, you've confirmed something we've known all along, that Antigua is NOT a democracy, moving more & more towards a dictatorship, something you campaigned hard against in all your years of opposition. YOU are no different to the Bird regime, your way or the highway, this is ok if we get tangible results, up to now since 2004 you have failed miserably in all aspects of governance. Now you are trying to push through a piece of legfislation which will only serve to further alienate A & B in the eyes of the rest of the world. You should really try harder, fix the small stuff first, try and crawl before you walk, you're an amateur, get with the programme, Start by sending Leroy to his fate in the US, unless you're scared to do so.
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HOW TO BECOME A DICTATOR part 1

#27 Jon R » 2013-02-22 23:21

First, build a pyramid of friends - It's impossible to rule by your self, so you got to create a pyramid of "friends" to amplify your will. A pyramid where every layer fears or respects the layer above and rules over the lower levels. All friends of course get a part of the power and have less to fear, making most wanting to move up a level.
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@Cool Ruler...they don't have to attend meetings to prove their allegiance

#26 Dig It » 2013-02-22 23:21

Cool Ruler, welcome back from a long 'Hiatus.' I just hope you are not blaming the Senators for 'standing up' for patriotism? You said that...
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on the other hand however, if they had misgivings about the measure, they should have had the decency to attend the meeting called to discuss the bill and aired their views as oppose to blindsiding and embar**ing Court and the entire government. I just have one question for the PM, what happen to those that conviently did not show up for the vote? By their actions they too voted against the bill, are. they exempt being overlooked?
The fact that "Not all of the Senators attended" is enough to tell the Dr Cort and the Humble Servant that they are not happy with the bill or parts of it. And, even if they attend the meeting, and, the outcome of their 'actions' are the same, would the HS still have them resinged or fired? Let's be fair, they have 'no say' but to vote in favor of the government's agenda or take the high road! If we really say we understand the Westminister system, why not show we do in been "compassionate" and "civil" to our colleagues?
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#25 ANTIGUAN WOMAN » 2013-02-22 22:58

In our Westminister system of government,when government officials can no longer support the policies of government especially at the parliamentary level,and demonstrate that by voting against a bill,then the expected and right thing to do is to resign.)

When a Govt dont listen to its people,the country is bankrupt, crime poverty and unemployment is overunning the society,and the Govt is clearly falling apart,then the expected and right thing to do is to go back to the polls.WHAT ARE YOU WAITING FOR MR SPENCER?
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Tyranny

#24 MY WAY OF HELPING » 2013-02-22 22:45

Vote against him and you will die, ha ha ha ha ha (evil cartoon laugh). I will destroy you (evil cartoon voice). You have not heard the last of me (evil cartoon voice). They will vote for me and will never say i am wrong, when i am (evil cartoon voice).

Ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha (evil cartoon laugh)

The voice and laugh in this message comes from the evil villain from inspector gadget the cartoon.
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Uneasilyzed The Head That Wears Our Crown!

#23 Dig It » 2013-02-22 22:40

As I am always told "Be careful of the friends you keep or associate with, or you may well become like them." You either have "faithful friends" or "Judas Iscariot" friends in this life.
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Much agony and pain accompany this decision, but in the final analysis, personal sentiments cannot override the compelling and irresistible need to act decisively in this instant case.
What determines the "final analysis?" Country or Party? Clearly, it is the latter, as these "four Senators" are 'powerless' as they served at the proclaimed "Humble Servant's" pleasure in our Westminister system. They have 'no choice' but to "resigned" or get "fired" for opposing or 'voted against' the GOAB's agenda. And, no amount 'sorry,' 'beg-back' or 'lack-of-explan ation' can save them from the wrath of the HS! Speaking of explanation, is the HS really looking for one from DC and AS? Why? Don't hold your breathe on that one? I commend these Senators for 'exercising-the ir-democratic-r ight' but it just but it so happens that it comes as a price. I wish them well!
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Reality

#22 A Brave leader » 2013-02-22 22:39

Our ecnomy is shrinking and the PM had no choice. The CIP for those educated Antiguans is a clever initiative to move this country forward. USA do it, the UK does it and even Italy has a CIP!

Wake up Antigua, we do nothing, we make nothing just like these senators who will never have a proper job.

Respect the PM for leading
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dictators part 2

#21 tanny » 2013-02-22 22:34

The SA and the SS were both deployed to enforce obedience of the m**, and to suppress opposition. With the help of his propaganda minister Josef Goebbels, he controlled the media, and printed pro-Nazi ideologies, as well as slurring inferiorities.
== in ancient rome,a person who ruled with complete power temporarily during emergencies ==
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dictators part1

#20 tanny » 2013-02-22 22:33

It is an absolute ruler- they generally have an authoritarian stance on leadership, and will bypass all offices and systems to push through the legislation they wish to.
History has shown us many dictators like Adolf Hitler, Saddam Hussein, Yosif Stalin. All these dictators had no competing leaders which is the very defining characteristic of a dictator. A dictator has to be firm, fearsome and ruthless. Ironically, dictators have occasionally benefited the countries they have led, such as Oliver Cromwell who took over the English parliament not because he wanted to but because the members were both incompetent and corrupt and someone had to do something. By controlling all manner of country affairs, dictators can enact legislation significantly quicker, and contribute to a country's self sufficiency.

One of the most infamous dictators was Adolf Hitler- he used immoral and unlawful means to create a totalitarian state.
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@ Contractor

#19 Observer... » 2013-02-22 22:32

I think you can cal it a democratic dictatorship.
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True Makavelli or however u spell it

#18 Young analyst » 2013-02-22 22:17

This is the first time that i have ever read through a whole speech by the PM and indeed i can see why our country is where it is right now. He said they didn't come to him and told him that they was against the CIP, so is it really part of the government process if you dont agree with your government you will lose your job. Sir next year is 2014=Election and these are persons who championed with you? The worst i have ever seen or heard of in our country
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The real Baldwin Spencer had been finally revealed

#17 reality check » 2013-02-22 22:14

When Antigua and Barbuda finish with Baldwin Spencer, there will be no place In the world for him to hide. How dear him.
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Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#16 tabaco » 2013-02-22 22:09

I applaud the senators for their stance.......
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maximum leader

#15 tenman » 2013-02-22 22:04

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Our Constitution provides for every citizen to enjoy freedom of thought and freedom of expression. I must make it very clear - Government Senators have the same right, however with those rights come an equal right to act responsibly. Where those rights are exercised in clear conflict with the interest of the people of this nation whom the government serves, the time is also right to resign.
The people voted according to their conscience. Its only a dictator who would think that its only his view is in the interest of the people. This is why he has no problem calling persons who oppose him, unpatriotic. In essence BS is now calling the senators unpatriotic. What a scoundrel BS has proved himself to be

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WOW

#14 Veronica Mars » 2013-02-22 22:03

I want to know why is the PM sacking Ms Parker when she was the same one that cried for him, when UPP won their appeal from the election case, CA please dig in your archives, because I think the PM has selective memory....... DR.PM Sir please look at Grenada ..........start making plans for your future.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#13 Cool Ruler » 2013-02-22 21:57

The PM cannot expect that when he appoint persons to the senate they will simply become yes men and rubber stamp everything that comes before them. they may be members of the party but not members of the cabinet, so I will not say that they are bound by any collective responsibility. on the other hand however, if they had misgivings about the measure, they should have had the decency to attend the meeting called to discuss the bill and aired their views as oppose to blindsiding and embar**ing Court and the entire government. I just have one question for the PM, what happen to those that conviently did not show up for the vote? By their actions they too voted against the bill, are. they exempt being overlooked?
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Is this Comedy Season ???

#12 Murdah » 2013-02-22 21:51

"Significantly, this failure was due to four Government senators siding with the Opposition and voted against the Bill in its entirety. This action by these four government senators constitutes a fundamental break with government’s policy.

What is worse is that their actions came as a bolt from the sky. At no time was I, as head of government and the mover of the Bill in my capacity as Prime Minister, informed or advised (whether formally or informally) of their deep and fundamental disagreement that would have led them to kill the bill, and by so doing, pull the rug from under the feet of the government."


Is the PM serious...???? Well whilst he firing and people resigning let those who responsible for the squandering and unaccountabilit y of over $50million on the fencing scandal resign or be fired; what about those who give us an old "brand new" WPP engine... they should resign or be fired; what about those who want to give our prime sea front lands of approximately 80 acres for a chicken farm and to shut down or local poultry farmers???

Look when you think about it BS just fire all ah dem and then resign... :-* :lol: :-* :lol:
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#11 fnpsr » 2013-02-22 21:46

The PM will now appoint four "stool pigeons" to rubber stamp his ill-advised program. This is democracy turned upside down!

"Let's fix the little things with RWE before we attempt to fix the big things."
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Elderstates woman

#10 Jane » 2013-02-22 21:44

The failure to listen to dissenting voices will prove to be the demise of the UPP - the unfinished car park, the fiasco of the roads in St. John's etc. I think the steps taken by these senators are historic and I hope trend setting. They must have felt strongly about this issue and had the guts and the ghaul to vote their conscience. TWO THUMBS UP. I AM SURE THEY REALIZE THAT THERE WILL BE CONSEQUENCES FOR THEIR ACTION. I ALSO HOPE THAT WHEN BILLS ARE BROUGHT TO PARLIAMENT THAT WILL BENEFIT THE COUNTRY AS A WHOLE THAT MEMBERS FROM THE OPPOSITION WILL ALSO VOTE IN FAVOUR AND NOT OPPOSE MERELY FOR OPPOSING SAKE.
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What Democracy?

#9 dadlison » 2013-02-22 21:33

If I am to understand correctly, according to our beloved 'Westminister' system, if you don't toe the party line you are out of the party? So every bill must pass unopposed through all houses of parliament simply because the head of a party proposed it? If this is the case maybe the Westminister system needs to go.

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Where those rights are exercised in clear conflict with the interest of the people of this nation whom the government serves, the time is also right to resign
So being against the PM's bone-headed idea is in CLEAR conflict of interest with the people? Please! I'm happy to know at least someone in that building is looking out for our interests.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#8 zzzzzz » 2013-02-22 21:32

bwoy this man is clearly out of touch. i wonder who advise this foolish man of a prime minister.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#7 not again » 2013-02-22 21:18

"Significantly, this failure was due to four Government senators siding with the Opposition andvoted against the Billinits entirety". Mr PM I think your judgement is flawed. I look at it as the senators siding with the people of Antigua.
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Re: The PM has emb**ed the nation!

#6 UncommonSense » 2013-02-22 21:01

This is the beginning of the end of Baldwin Spencer. Clearly, he is acting more as a dictator than as a mature democratic leader. He is out of his depth. His small Ego has overcome a thoughtful disposition. That man is as out of touch with voters in Gray-Green as he is with members of his own party and the good people in A&B. I don't believe that the two Senators resigned as they jumped before they were pushed.

Lovell just set him up to be taken out and taken down. Spencer is too weak to remain the leader of the UPP. Time for Spencer to RESIGN!!!!
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What in the world?

#5 Morris » 2013-02-22 20:57

In my New Year Message to the Nation, I dedicated a considerable amount of time in explaining that the Citizenship by Investment Programme will assist in driving economic growth, create meaningful jobs, generate much needed revenue to assist in maintaining and enhancing our social programme, improve our infrastructure, educate and train the population, provide decent and improved healthcare and promote healthy lifestyles through sports, recreation and the pursuit and advancement of our cultural heritage. THIS IS NOTHING BUT WISHFUL THINKING! THERE IS NO PROOF, JUST TAKE A GOOD LOOK AT THE OTHER C'BEAN COUNTRIES ECONOMIES WHO HAVE THIS PROGRAM!

Has dictatorship been declared in ANU? Senators are now forbidden to vote their conscience? So now the PM will find some "YES" men to pas a bill that is sure to bring more problems for the citizens of ANU? These guys are samples!
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#4 Concern Citizen » 2013-02-22 20:49

I think the PM has his priorities wrong. Rather than concentrating on the CIP he should focus on the engines he bought at WPP. At present only three engines are available. Why APUA has to struggle to buy parts? Is it APUA responsibility to buy the two turbo chargers? Why are over twenty (20) heads off the engines? Why are so many valves damaging? Mr. PM we need an investigation into the things that are happening at your new power plant.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#3 BRENT » 2013-02-22 20:46

I guess David Massiah was "concerned" the Baldwin might engineer his defeat as General Secretary of the Antigua & Barbuda Workers Union in an upcoming delegate’s conference so he "apologized". If I was his wife I would be embar**ed. Stand up like a real man David. You were not for something; you spoke to it; you voted on it; stick with your decision. This reminds me of when women/wives use to take their boyfriends/husb ands to Massa to be whipped. U.P.P. MUST AND WILL GO. THE WRITING IS ON THE WALL.
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RE: Two Resigned Two to be Sacked

#2 Analyst » 2013-02-22 20:45

So uhm, was the resignation of the two that said sorry accepted?
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Democracy or Dictatorship?

#1 Contractor » 2013-02-22 20:34

So you call this democracy or dictatorship? The People of Antigua need to have a vote on this and what’s going on in the country because the politicians cannot fix the countries problems. Call elections soon brother and let the people tell you what we think about your leadership. I think it’s time for this government to resign.
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