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ALP lose Confidence

Motion or no motionAntigua St John's - The Antigua Labour Party (ALP) could be moving towards the abandonment of the proposed Motion of No-Confidence against the ruling administration.

This apparent shift in strategy follows the inability of opposition Member of Parliament Molwyn Joseph to convince his party colleagues at the executive level that the “Power Plants” challenge against the government was on solid footing.



According to information reaching this publication from within the party’s executive, party spokesman Steadroy “Cutie” Benjamin openly challenged Joseph, who failed to hold his argument.

“Molwyn presented the power plant issue and got knocked down by Cutie,” the source said. “He failed to prove that the engines were used because everything he presented was based on speculation.”

The source said that based on this and a series of other events, ALP leader Lester Bird reportedly said it made no sense to proceed with the motion, which he failed to debate in the Lower House at the last sitting in late May.

Just last week, Caribarena had received information, gleaned from another ALP Executive meeting, indicating that deputy leader Gaston Browne had proposed the ALP abandon the no confidence motion due to issues of corruption that could be used against the party.

When questioned about that matter Browne labeled the allegation as “political assassination”, and declined to comment further.

When contacted about this additional issue he further declined to add to the discussion, noting that he was not in support of executive members “with hidden agendas” leaking confidential and internal information.

On the issue of corruption, however, the source said that based on the frank internal talks some senior members made others bluntly aware of the party’s own concerns of corruption that could be used against them with more teeth than the power plant saga.

They reportedly spoke of matters like the ongoing IHI case and the period when party members paid some 5 cents per gallon for petroleum while the rest of the population were made to pay market prices.

“It was said that the ALP cannot wage any successful offensive on the issue of corruption because it has a long history of corruption in the party’s more than two decades in government,” the source said.

“With all the fat chat, many of them should be very concerned about the blows they are going to get.”

Further, it was revealed that the majority of the party’s executive were not convinced that the group leading the Power Plant challenge could stand up well in a debate should the matter be discussed on the floor of parliament.

“It is true that the labour party is vulnerable. The ALP lost the last two elections because of public opinion on the whole issue of corruption.”

Steadroy Cutie Benjamin said he shared his views at an internal meeting and would rather not discuss them in the public domain.

"I have no comment. Whatever we discussed in the party was an internal issue. I don't understand our party..." he said.



Molwyn Joseph declined to comment on the matter when contacted by Caribarena. He said only the leader of the party should speak on such matters.

Efforts to reach the ALP leader were unsuccessful.

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RE: ALP lose Confidence

#34 SlyThatGuy » 2012-06-18 22:20

It's very frightening that this dysfunctional party , a group of people unable to work together, is what some of us want to steer us into the future.It would be tragic to even let them try ,considering they are not even smart enough to decide anything on their own.
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cirque de La Antigua

#33 Jumbee Picknee » 2012-06-18 20:08

This is comprehensively , incomprehensibl e...again, to put money into our treasury, cut the unemployment rate, get guns out of robbers hands, give dj's work to do, we just have to pitch the big tent over parliament building and grounds, take some of the fencing material from round R A S properties fence the area,, and no stealing please and charge tourist, visitors, staycationers admission to the greatest comedy circus in the universe..Cirqu e de la Antigua.
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That is why all of them should go

#32 It Is Me » 2012-06-18 18:33

The only reason the Republican party and democratic party can keep coming back again and again to form the government of the USA is because they change the players all the time!!!

Do you think the Republicans can hold on to George Bush untill people just get fed up of Obama that they vote back in Bush? Why do we do that here in Antigua & barbuda?

Are we gonna live in a country where all the politicians have to keep quiet because they all have skeletons in their closet?

Lester Bird lost 2 consecutive elections ... he was leader of the ALP for 20 years ... time for him to seriously move on ... by his own will or by force!!!

Baldwin Spencer was leader of the UPP for 25 years now. Name his highlight achievements for his 25 years as representive for Grays Farm. 15 years opposition and now 10 years as Prime Minister. What has he done that makes him deserve another 5 years?

It's do or die time for Antigua & Barbuda the only sollution is to get rid of both of them!!!
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@Eric

#31 A Wa Ya!!! » 2012-06-18 18:14

@Eric… whats your point? Lol I have to laugh at what your wrote … first off I was one for a change so I voted for upp in 2004 and then in 2009 … and base on all their transparency they preached at the past two election they are so not going to get me the third time around … so I’m no longer a supporter of the upp I have lost all confidence in them , and please don’t even mention ALP to me, because I’m an intelligent young man that can think fu meself na bady haffu pay me fu think… so na come with this crap bout ALP a pay me fu say this and that …. A talk bout red cool aid what about blue cool aid clouding ur judgment … it’s a crime now for someone to believe in something , my gosh are u na easy tall tall tall … its in black and white in observer news paper , tenman commented about it , I just second the thought more investigation needs to take place in regards to WPP , something na look right … and that my opinion so if u can handle it just go shub u head inna Dr Dr xxs… see how far u can reach…
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watch out here it comes

#30 rupert j. » 2012-06-18 17:05

They who live in glass houses should never ever throw stones.
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We need not trust but justice!

#29 Dig It » 2012-06-18 17:03

Sad that everyone wants the "trust" but not many want "justice" for the people that has yet to see how they "monies" were spent on the WPP? Where are the "documents" to prove that this "great negotiation" had nothing to "hide?" If the Plant engines are "new" why they looked "old" and now "out of commssion?" What really bothers me is to see how the "electrorates" can't get the answers (transparency) by the GOAB, and, their Loyal Opposition is showing "little\nil" interest to fight their cause or put forward their "motion!" Now, it seems that the Opposition has more than "internal" fights to worry about, as a "traitor" is amongst them but as Mr. Hurst informed us that CA received the "wrong info!" What a "comedy of errors?"
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#28 Fred » 2012-06-18 16:01

Who cares if there is no deputy leader in the ALP's constitution. There is none in the A & B Constitution but one is normally appointed by convention. You ALP morons need to do some work and stop dividing the party. Idiots !
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The Gang Of Four - Wiley Adventurers & Privateers! PT4

#27 John French II » 2012-06-18 15:48

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. There must be a Drive for Nation Building, an Independent & Progressive Program geared towards the National Interest of 95% of the Population. It cannot be driven by the interests of North Atlantic Privateers, Arab Traders & Merchants, South Asian Wheelers & Dealers, Oriental Restauranteurs & Shopkeepers and Latin Entrepreneurs of every Stripe & Hue.
The Strateguc Imperatives must be Tangible Programs not Vague & Abstract Sounding Words Signifying nothing but greed or envy for what others have achieved by fair or foul means. There must be a definitive approach as to how, when or what conditions should lead to running with a party or when to run independently. Until the First Past the Post System is abandonned, it must be understood that this is war within the strictures of Democratic Capitalism - Yes I used those two words - to reform the Political Structures that have, continue to and will cripple the 95% of the Population of African Descent whether you accept your ethnicity or not. Show me otherwise and I shall show you a Power Plant you can buy for $55M US. Heaven Help The Nation Of Antigua & Barbuda, Including Redonda.
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Is the Deputy Leader title a farce?

#26 HeavenHelpUsAll » 2012-06-18 15:27

The strangest thing is I found out that the Antigua-Barbuda Labour Party has NO! Deputy Leader.
Certainly not according to The Party Constitution, I was told, so is it possible that the title was a farce all along?

Also Please! someone, I need to hear more about the IHI. What is it and who is involved ... please!

The WPP Generators are OLD!!!
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The Gang Of Four - Wiley Adventurers & Privateers! PT3

#25 John French II » 2012-06-18 15:11

Notes from A Native Son Of The Rock. Rather than engage in nihilist think, backward and noisy caribbean carnival engagement, the m** must engage in concrete and fact based analysis.
First Past the Post Politics is a Struggle - n act of war without bloodshed. There are two possible course of actions: Struggle for Power or Raise issues that have the possibility of gaining greater attention. Now do you see the distintion between the Gang of Four and Robin Hood & Little Joseph? May I suggest that those who struggle for power, abdicate being poundwise to being penny foolish. Nation Building should have a Vision and a raison d'etre of long term improvement of the Peoples' Well Being.
Let's be clear, Third Parties have not succeded in these SIDS. Many disaffected Youth sincerely hope that such a party will arise out of nothing, from honest citizens, or to put it in the best case scenario, out of general popular discontent. Nar Apen!
What is the Way forward? This requires a Strategic Long Term Initiative. A Shared Vision must be developed throughout the length and breath of Antigua & Barbuda in all of the Various Non Political Organizations.
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What is Wrong with Us?

#24 De Ja Vu » 2012-06-18 15:03

I cannot understand what is wrong with us in Antigua and Barbuda? When the ALP was in power, we accused them of being corrupt. The UPP said that they will make right, what is wrong. "What is wrong will be made right", they said. Many of us thought that they would have done things differently. But no, they have just continued from where the ALP has left off and are doing it more blatantly. When questions are asked, the reply invariably is "ALP did it too". Whenever the UPP is accused of corruption, they always bring up something they said the ALP did. If the members of the ALP had committed so many crimes, how is it that after more than eight years in power the UPP has not been able to prosecute anyone yet? Come on people, do not continue to let the UPP fool us.
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#23 Audrey Taylor » 2012-06-18 14:59

AB&B seems done for we the citizen will now have to Bang water to other islands again like in the days of Panama and Cuba or eat widdy widdy bush like in the days od PaPA Bird. Only God can save us now saint of God remember sinner repent

2 Chronicles 7:14

King James Version (KJV)


14 If my people, which are called by my name, shall humble themselves, and pray, and seek my face, and turn from their wicked ways; then will I hear from heaven, and will forgive their sin, and will heal their land
AMEN AMEN
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the NCM is for the people not Gaston or ??

#22 jeb » 2012-06-18 14:53

IMO, the no confidence motion is not a “court hearing” so I am wondering why the necessity to pass an attorney test? Should it not be more of a matter of stating the issues from 2 mature, experienced and sound mind politicians who have personally seen the engines up close accompanied by reputable members of the media who also witnessed the engines up close and came to the same conclusions; the publicized, and verified by APUA senior management at press conference, photographs adding confirmation to the non biased public that the generators are most assuredly old and most likely discards from large ship/s. The research (easy to find on the internet) and performance of the generators categorically backs up the visual evidence. Obviously the UPP are going to try and create every possible smoke screen they can think of. I believe that if MPs’ Joseph & Yearwood just hit the “ignore” **on and remain steadfast they will triumph and gain mucho respect from the listening public…the issues are with the present PM and to waste time arguing over the past will achieve, also IMO, precisely nothing but an even more so frustrated and fed-up public than is already the case.
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The Gang Of Four - Wiley Adventurers & Privateers! PT2

#21 John French II » 2012-06-18 14:38

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. Rather than being led by this provacative headline it would be encouraging for some strong supporters to look at electoral politics, First Past the Post and the Westminister System and politics strategically. May I suggest that: Blues and Reds have consistently sold out the M** within the last four electoral terms; these two political elites are the two wings of the same unaccountable evil Bird Of Prey; Electoral Politics as practiced by this Blue Bird Of Prey has encouraged the North Atlantic Privateers, the World Bank, IMF & Paris Club to Fiscally adjust and Structurally Reform the Socio-Economic conditions of the mass of people of African descent downward; First Past The Post will not bring about Egalite & Liberte, Order & Good Governance, Happines and Nation Building for generations of people of African descent.
Are there Alternatives for this "Bewildered and Bemused Electorate"?
Drop-out of Elctoral Politics until the M** of People of African Descent vote with their feet against this system or hope for a third Party - which has as much hope as Sir Viv returning to Laed the A&B Cricket team.
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#20 Eric » 2012-06-18 14:29

A Wa Ya!!! All you can tell us is “I believe this” and “I believe that” what is the authority for your beliefs? – Your party affiliations? That you are drunk with the “Red Cool Aid” and repeating everything you think that a good ALP supporter should repeat, do not make what you say a fact. Ask Gaston Browne to tell you who paid who to say that the plants are old. All of it is cheap politics. The ALP Say So.
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The Gang Of Four - Wiley Adventurers & Privateers! PT!

#19 John French II » 2012-06-18 14:10

Notes From A Native Son Of The Rock. Consigliere Cutie: Quote:
Comrade Red Max, I say No! There is more money potential in quiet diplomacy for Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition rather than engaging in noisy politics, picketing and rabble rousing. Let's share the Love of the People. If we wish to get in by the First Past The Post Politics, Maybe one of the Middle Eastern Arab & Merchant Trader Families or All of them and the Oriental Families will see the money they can earn from Security, Police, Customs & Political Power if we tread lightly on WPP. Then they will come after us. Right now we have the Union, The Faithfuls, The Unemployeds, The Poor Wretcheds & The Untouchables. But Electoral Politics - Not Corruption, Transparency & Accountability - is the thing of the Future. If we don't get a piece of that Action, we risk everything we have. Not now, but ten years from now.
Deputy Leader/Chair: Quote:
Now, What's your answer going to be, Robin Hood & Little Joseph?
Electoral Politics on this SIDS poses so many problems for the 'bewildered & bemused electorate' since every aspect is so Transactional and Not Transformationa l.
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Corruption !?

#18 HeavenHelpUsAll » 2012-06-18 13:57

I am a LABOUR PARTY SUPPORTER! I am dyed in the wool of RED, LABOUR and FREDOM for our people.
I have never been involved in any acts of CORRUPTION!
It would be a freezing day in HELL if I support any motion that would let the UPP corrupt SOB’s off the hook
The Wadadli Power Plant is HIGH CORRUPTION at high noon! ..
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#17 Fred » 2012-06-18 12:33

I would like to know who in the ALP got 5 cents per gallon on all petrol sales ? Do these individuals expect to govern this country again ?
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BEST DEFENCE

#16 OO7 » 2012-06-18 12:29

IF ACCUSED JUST ACCUSE BACK. IF SOMEONE CHARGE YOU WITH A CRIME, NO PROBLEM, JUST CHARGE THEM WITH A CRIME TOO. THIS IS HOW UPP DEFENDS ITSELF OF THE CORRUPTION ACCUSATION HEAPED UPON THEM BY THE ALP, BY ACCUSNG THEM OF 28 YEARS OF CORRUPTION. IN BASKETBALL IT IS CALL... THE BEST DEFENSE IS A STRONG OFFENCE. THE PEOPLE DESERVE BETTER, HOW ABOUT IF WE APPLIED THE DUCKWORTH/LEWIS CALCULATOR TO DETERMINE THE LEAST CORRUPT. ALP 17, UPP 16+1
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NEW or OLD

#15 PEACE » 2012-06-18 10:24

It is INCUMBENT the GOAB /APUA to SHOW (or bring proff) THAT THE ENGINES (WPP) are OLD/USED or NEW.
Ask Mr Benjamin or the PARTY CHAIRMAN to get the evidence from their FRIENDS in the GOAB.
When aryou don aryou nar want what is in the PUBLIC to COME to (LITE) LIGHT.
THE PROBLEM IS THE LEADER SHIP OF THE PARTY.
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@Lionel Hurst

#14 SteadyJ » 2012-06-18 10:22

What is stopping any elected member of parliament from requesting a tour of WPP? After all it's the payers who will have to foot the bill for WPP. Both ALP/UPP are party first, and country second. How sad!
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#13 Yep » 2012-06-18 10:10

@ Lionel Hurst.... shut your mouth!! perosns who think still read Caribarena. Now tell me why would Comrade Bird ask Molwyn ...." if his presentation can be shown on television?" and if the was substantive proof why would Cutie ask "Lawerly" questions?? please clarify that for me as this all seems very strange question to ask?
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@tenman

#12 A Wa Ya!!! » 2012-06-18 09:53

ok so they say they don’t have any prove that the WPP is old. so why did observer post what they posted today ... why are the engines giving so much problem while for APC with their 16yrs old and 5yrs old engines are working just fine ... i'm lost as to what to say about WPP, all i know that ** can’t be new ... or maybe they did get a new power plant ( a brand new second hand power plant) with allot of inferior parts ... something nar add up with WPP it should not be having so much problems , i still believe we get rip off somewhere , we certainly did not get value for money, and i to believe they should allow some sort of private company to come in and really check out the power plant and tell us what’s going on..
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wrong info

#11 Lionel Hurst » 2012-06-18 09:50

CARIBARENA has been deceived. Whoever informed you that Hon. Lester Bird said anything about withdrawing the draft resolution is engaged in dissembling and prevarication. Comrade Bird's first and only question to Comrade Molwyn Joseph was: Can your presentation be shown on television? The Hon. Steadroy Benjamin then intervened with lawyerly questions about evidence. It is blatantly untrue to claim that there was any talk of abandonment. I am available at 776 1694. Furthermore, the internal discussions of the ALP are not intended for public consumption. We cannot avoid that, I suppose, but you should verify and get it straight--first .
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CAN THE ELECTED SEVEN RESIGN

#10 PEACE » 2012-06-18 09:49

I would suggest,if the ELECTED (seven) 7 members cannot or will not debate any of the ISSUES with the GOVERNMENT,PLEA SE PLEASE RESIGN FROM ACTIVE POLITICS.
Is it POSSIBLE for the LEADER the CHAIRMAN or CUTIE of the ALP to get the GOAB to tell the NATION,why is it more than HALF of the NEW USED OLD ENGINES (WPP) are not working (OUT OF ORDER FOR DAY'S NOW) ?
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The Truth shall Set Us Free

#9 Eric » 2012-06-18 09:15

At long last the truth is coming out – and it is the truth that is going to set us free. It is time for Gaston Browne to come straight – tell us who was paid to say that the power plants were OLD – and who did the paying. How much big money was paid and who all shared the spoils? Tell us Gaston tell us. Tell us all you know. Maybe you should get with Asot and after he tells us all he knows about the IHI rip-off you can both advise us of how many Rolls Royce’s came over the fence at custom during the ALP administration
:-? :-? :eek:
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Observer

#8 tenman » 2012-06-18 09:06

Observer, if its simply speculation, why is the Daily Observer reporting in its headline story today, that 5 of the 6 engines have been down for for weeks? They also report that the plant is UN-insurable due to no proper way to trace the parts due to thinks like missing serial numbers. The article also points out, based on info from its source, the WPP consume much more fuel HFO than the APC plant. Unlike the APC plant, the WPP do not offer the option of conversion to natural gas, unlike the APC plant. Natural gas is cheaper than HFO and is what our neighbors like Barbados are switching to

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Envy in the ALP..

#7 Martin. » 2012-06-18 08:38

The World know its an Old Plant,But because Molwyn took the lead they now want to destroy him..
Asot/Gaston do you have a xxxx with King David to kill this issue ?????? like the killed the Fencing Scandel!!!!
Why 4 of the 6 Engines not working????????????????????????
Cuti follows the chineeeee $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ $............
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#6 Observer » 2012-06-18 07:44

I am so disappointed. I cannot believe that the charge of old engines was based all along on "speculation." I thought these people had facts to back up their assertions and for a moment had had actually believed that the UPP were culpable and were trying to cover up the issue. The ALP can't be serious! What could have caused them to make such an allegation? This is mind-boggling.
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#5 SB » 2012-06-18 06:53

The old guard in the ALP needs to go. They obviously cannot stand up to public scrutiny, to quote the source, "based on their long string of currupt acts". This reminds me of UPP when they had to clean shop and get rid of the likes of Donald Halstead and others from the UPP. The problem is that Bird is at the head of the party and has no moral authority to cleanse the party.

ALP cannot win another election with the likes of Lester, Molwyn and Robin.
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#4 Hmmmm » 2012-06-18 06:32

LOL... Murderrrrr. Are these people for real?? I am now loosing confidence in the ALP and their credability. Based on how they spoke I was convinced that they had concrete information regarding the Power Plant. Now, am hearing that the information is just speculation. What!! To make matters worst they are not proceeding with the motion because of fear of what would be said against them. No honesty in this party. We need a honest response from you guys since when you all afraid to talk? You can fool the people sometimes but not all the times. Buck up or you will remain in oppostion.
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the source

#3 tenman » 2012-06-18 05:56

Persons, with a public persona, wishing to remain anonymous should know that its very easy to figure out who they are by the phrases they use:

Quote:
“With all the fat chat, many of them should be very concerned about the blows they are going to get.”
Anyone wish to guess who said this? These ALP is truly having a civil war

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RE: ALP lose Confidence

#2 R. Berry » 2012-06-18 04:43

What doldrums do we find A&B in? (1) A party in power that has done more damage to the Antigua economy than ever before and against a background of earning more money that any other previous A&B government. (2) An opposition that is clearly without sound leadership, compounded with in-house fighting and allegations and accusations going back and forth.

To think the opposition cannot move forward with a motion against the government based on corruption, becuase the point of corruption can be used against them.

And we wonder why when the name Antigua & Barbuda is mentioned the world's population just bow and shake their heads. Oh God when.....?
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Another nail in their coffin

#1 Aaron » 2012-06-18 02:58

Well well well....I see a few more terms in opposition
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