Antigua St John's - It is difficult to tell that Antigua & Barbuda is experiencing a severe financial crisis, based on the size of the delegation and the luxuries reportedly being enjoyed by Prime Minister Baldwin Spencer during his official trip to New York.
Spencer is heading a six-member team to the General Assembly of the United nations and associated meetings.
He was accompanied by Health Minister Wilmoth Daniel, Chief Medical Officer Dr Rhonda Sealy-Thomas, Telecommunications Minister Dr Edmond Mansoor, Non-Resident Ambassador to China David Shoul, and Ambassador Anthony "Mamba" Liverpool.
Prime Minister Spencer is reportedly staying at the plush Waldorf Astoria in midtown Manhattan, along with Dr Mansoor and Ambassador Shoul. The other members of the team, including the health minister, are reportedly staying somewhere else.
Eyebrows have been raised about the accommodations afforded to Minister Daniel, an elected official, in comparison to two non-elected officials.
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Sticky Fingers @ The Wald*f Asto*ia Hotel
I just phoned The Wald*f Astoria and they hang up when i asked for our PM ! Dont stop the Cranival Guys.
Private Eye
Nonsense
Wada
What a joke...
QUEEN
@More Professional
Wrong I an't that guy... by the way look again if you want to find him
I saw I comment written by him on this article. At this time Mac must be grinning from ear to ear for not only the reason. He seldom posts but his post given several thumbs up.
Now since this is just Rum Shop and I an't that guy, as is normally done here in the Rum Shop state your case. Give you a clue were I to be Mac, I would hope this "where in the world is Mac"? dies quickly.
CountryMan
Professional Intellectual
More Professional
@sky
Boy do I love the Antiguan Rum Shop state of mind: When I posted the following that was uploaded at 9:13 am yesterday did you consider it to be complementary to the UPP?
The article suggested that Antigua tax payers was footing the Waldorf Astoria bill. I posted:
Get the "gitting" while its Good
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/un_diplos_gone_wild_in_nyc_RTRbSHxyi3mtFxLoUAhYEM?utm_campaign=Post10&utm_source=Post10Alph**
CountryMan
@rawr
Word of advise the Freedom of Information Office is in the Francis Trading Building. Most of the information of which you are so confused should be available to the public through that Office.
Truth be told that Office never worked and the media/press is silent about that travesty.
CountryMan
@rawr
I am not your researcher, but I'll give you a clue about how you get the facts Get in touch with Antigua UN Mission, find out what UN Committees does Antigua sits on; and what committees do Antigua Chair. Then get in contact with the UN and find out what are the expenses that the committees are covering for this session. Get it in writing for you are entailed to it, other wise its your word against mine
CountryMan
Remember?
Harry
@ Observer part II
Daniel and the Dr. I do understand, I can only summize that Daniel stayed with his kids while in the US, but he is an elected official and should be treated better than the others.
If you are annoyed at what I said about Hurst, then you will have to eat craw, since I will say it again. None of the ambassadors can compete with this man and his people skills and how he thought of the country. If speaking well of this man and what he was like makes me a birdite, then da..m..n I accept it, since he deserves his kudoos.
Avid Reader
re: countryman
sky
@ Observer part I
I don't understand Shoul since Antigua was not one of the Caricom countries that approved of Palestine's request for statehood in advance. Is he there as a translator? assuming that he speaks the language or representing Antigua during some comunnication with China since he is the ambassador to that country.
Avid Reader
re: countryman
rawr
Shame on you Everton Barnes
Both you and the Editor of Caribarena should be ashamed of yourselves. Just a little home work would have informed you that Antigua chairs several UN Committees and that the Committee cover the costs of the Waldof Astoria. Whose Ox are you attempting to gore or is just laziness and political ax grinding.
If a Country Man like me can find that out, why can't you unless you have an ulterior motive?
CountryMan
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Antiguan Woman
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Observer
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ya
@ Fairness
I have met quite a few of the other Caribbean islands reps and they take the train, drive themselves etc. Your council general should never have had that luxury in the first place, please don't tout his love of the people.
He gets less than 50% of the ambassador's salary- WOA, I can assure you his salary with everything thrown in is not less than $80,000US a year - for the condition of the country, he is overpaid even if he is getting a dollar.
Avid Reader
David controls!
Where was shoul when Daniel was in the trenches fighting for the Upp?
Pure Antiguan
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Fairness
What's the Objective
See the Light
Fact Check
Max
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Fairness
Go head Baldwin,squeez them harder.
HC
Wait!!!
InteresteD
@fnspr
Avid Reader
Time for changes.
These people know absolutely nothing about the country, it is amazing when you call the NY office or refer someone to them to answer a question and what they tell they people. We have people who collect a paycheck but don't even take the time to know anything about the country. It is so embar**ing.
Avid Reader
Working overseas or traveling is lucrative Pt. II
Back to our Council General's office the first time I heard the deputy deliver a speech, I did one of those whoa jobs, she actually get a salary. Antiguans need to stop the political bantering and have both of the parties answer for this, it has been going on for too long.
Years ago they used to give $5000US when ministers were traveling, that is why they were going all over the place so often. Just think with inflation how much it cost we the people now.
For those ambassadorships that you see they throw out like hotcakes, there is a salary associated with it. Now, do you think that it is time for the government to close some of these offices, we certainly don't need them when they are draining the coffers.
Avid Reader
Working overseas or traveling is lucrative Pt. I
Working in the offices overseas is lucrative
New York
The Council General's office was created under the UPP it never existed before, the head has his own driver and car.
They get a h..ell of a lot of money to run that office - only they can tell us what they do for it.
The Ambassador has his chauffered car to and none of these two chauffers are Antiguans - 'they think ahwee talk too much'.
Not only do they get a salary, but they get house allowance, clothes allowance and travel allowance, this is all in US dollars and that goes for the office staff. So do they make more than the Prime Minister, do the math.
You should see the area and houses these people live in and Antiguans at home are struggling while they live high on the hog.
Avid Reader
@ Dig it
Beauty
Sorry reporting
InteresteD
Look behind the curtain
Logic says that the two Middle Easterners so to speak are playing some role given the PM made reference to the Palestinians as among his reasons for being in NYC
Don't get me wrong. I have stated some are getting the" gitting" while its Good. I posted the NY Post link to show how wide spread is this behavior. We just may want to look behind the curtain sometimes, for the last time I looked. our UN Delegate John Ashe has brought home a ton of Scholarships.
CountryMan
@ ANTIGUAN WOMAN
jeb
RE PM ENJOYING LUXURIES IN NEW YORK
JANICE
re: Dig it
"let's fix the little things before we attempt to fix the big things."
fnpsr
Per diem, oh per diem, how I love thee - part 3 & final
Antigua needs to set up a set of rules and procedures that are the same for everyone.
So, there you have it!
“Let’s fix the little things before we attempt to fix the big things.
fnpsr
Per diem, oh per diem, how I love thee - part 2
For high cost areas an itemized report is required detailing the cost for lodging, food and miscellaneous expenses. For low cost areas no itemization is required, but you have to submit the hotel receipts. Usually, the hotel cost will use up most of the per diem in the low cost area.
The travel department will audit the report for reasonableness and approve if everything is in order. If the expenses exceed the advance for the per diem, the traveler will be paid the difference and if the per diem advance exceed the expenses the traveler refunds the difference.
fnpsr
Per diem, oh per diem, how I love thee - part 1
The purpose of the per diem is to cover the business expense of the individual while on official business. It is not to enrich the individual, but rather to cover his lodging – hotel; food - breakfast, lunch and dinner and miscellaneous costs such as transportation, tips, dry cleaning and the like. The standard here is reasonable and customary. What would a prudent man do if he were spending his own money?
Furthermore, the per diem rates for each locality should be public information.
The per diem allowance would be assigned based upon the locality, i.e. high cost area versus s low cost area. The more expensive the locality the higher the per diem and the less expensive the locality the lower is the per diem. So for example the per diem in New York would not be the same as in St. Kitts.
fnpsr
Kudos to Caribarena
Tobi
Baldwin
why not?
@mymy
ANTIGUAN WOMAN
@Lamanex-someth ing must be done
Dig It
Dog have money ..buy cheese..
chef is however surprised that so many seem surprised by this level of accommodation for a PM of a broken country.. non of you knew?? really???
And you think they travel economy class like most of us ?I am sure..
look let me go an cook my cornmeal pap see.. until you see the "sunshine"
Microwave chef
Huh?
Buzzbomb
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Antiguan Abroad
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Antiguan Abroad
A quote
"There ain't no ticks like poly-ticks. Blood** all."
Buzzbomb
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Dominic
@Antiguan Abroad
Avid Reader
mymy
LEADERgrifter......There, fixed it for you.
Buzzbomb
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ANTIGUAN WOMAN
@ Sideahderoad
Based on your statement above I would like to ask the following:
* What have they done at these appearances to promote ANU as a business friendly nation?
* When has any of these appearances attracted businesses that were ready and willing to inject some life into the economy?
Based on all that I have seen and read, we have benefitted in some fashion from the numerous programs geared toward SIDS or the C'bean Basin (a good thing), or we have negotiated deals for loans.
Morris
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Antiguan Abroad
Shameless
Shameless
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Fed Up
@ Everyone
Dessalines
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lamanex
Brushing Shoulders
Sideahderoad
We like it so
ANTIGUAN WOMAN
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Serious Guy
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In the Middle
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Jounalist
@ All
my way of helping
RE: PM Enjoying Luxuries In New York
Is it true that the Pm is staying at the W/Astoria? The above article makes an unsubstantiated point and many jump on the bandwagon of crucifixion. I would prefer to have concrete evidence that the PM and others are staying at the W/Astoria, before I jump to conclusions.
In adding a varying twist to this article, can there be a suggestion as to what hotel might be deemed reasonble, price et al, for a head of state to stay?
Let us constructively debate the issue as against relying on speculation and driven by political fanaticism.
Roadwarrior
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that's all i am going to say on this one!
kirikho kona
RE: PM Enjoying Luxuries In New York
As for the Antiguan delegation's accommodations in NYC, they certainly should stay at a nice hotel in close proximity to the UN, since that is where they will be conducting their business. But the Waldorf is among the most expensive hotels in the entire country…the price quoted in the article is for a very basic room, which it is doubtful these Antiguan delegates would be satisfied with. There are several other hotels in NYC...many much closer to the UN, quite luxurious but significantly less expensive...
It appears that Antigua is not the only country being "ghetto fabulous”, however. Today's NY Post had an article of an African leader spending $16,000 per night on a Presidential suite at another luxury hotel in Manhattan, while the average citizen in his country received an annual income of US$1,150. Here's the link to the story: http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/un_diplos_gone_wild_in_nyc_RTRbSHxyi3mtFxLoUAhYEM
Antiguan Abroad
@ Beauty
Buzzbomb
Just for laughs
Morris
Just keeping Up with The Jones
http://www.nypost.com/p/pagesix/un_diplos_gone_wild_in_nyc_RTRbSHxyi3mtFxLoUAhYEM?utm_campaign=Post10&utm_source=Post10Alpha
CountryMan
Caribarena is the Boss when it comes to news.
I've always known that Shoul and Mansoor run our government.
Antiguan Youth
Disgusting
Kapisha
Working extra hard
He must be working extra hard on this trip, so in our national interest maybe I should help him....Macy's and Saks hours are 9:00am till 9:00pm except Sundays and the brunch at Central Park's Boathouse Restaurant is over-rated. Hope this helps Mr. PM.
Signed,
Delusional Taxpayer.
Buzzbomb
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Never in our history has any administration abused the per diem system like the UPP. They travel from pillar to poll simply to collect the large amounts of tax payers hard earned money to stuff into their pockets. Belt-tightening is only for poor people. The politicians continue to splurge with reckless abandon.
I know Wilmoth has a brother and children in NY. I would not be surprised if he and the others who are "staying somewhere else", are with family members, while they laugh all the way to the bank with their per diem.
DadliMan
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Beauty
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Ducks
PM-Every dog must come back to their vomit!
Dig It
Writer
South-South Awards 2011: Digital Health for Digital Development
Date: 19 SEPTEMBER 2011
Venue: New York; Waldorf Astoria
Organized by South-South News, ITU, UN Economic Commission for Africa & Permanent Mission of Antigua and Barbuda.
In 2011, the South-South Awards will honor governments, organizations, and individuals, who have succeeded in scaling-up and replicating the implementation of the health-related Millennium Development Goals and beyond at the national level. This year, the preparatory committee has recommended Digital Health 4 Digital Development as the main theme for the awards.
Jounalist
homeboy
mymy
Writer
Jounalist
Professional Antiguan
Intellectual
Like all other dictators
Seems like minister Daniel is responsible leaking this story and the associated photo and I wonder if it is a result of genuine concerns over the unjustified cost or his being shunted off to lesser facilities.
I also heard that PM Spencer is headed to Mxxx xxxxxx for a xx xx after the UN meeting. Yet another clear indication that he cares nothing about the people he 'serves' who complain day in, day out about the quality of services at MSJMC. Again, I find no surprises here; just typical behavior of a dictator.
Plain Truth
RE: PM Enjoying Luxuries In New York
Unless you can provide data to indicate what precisely the room rate is for the PM then your innuendos become baseless. The fact that any business publicise the starting price for their services forinstance does not even mean that I as a existing or potential customer is being charged the advertised price.
Wheel and Come Again
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I
Hotel
poorman1989
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Cool Ruler
Shame on Spencer
They at least tried to upgrade their people's living and social conditions. But Spencer used the poor people of Gray Green to get power then ignore them. After being PM for almost 10 years, he has done absolutely nothing to lift the quality of life for the good people of this constituency.
Dr. Joyce Walston
The fleecing of ANU
I would stay an additional week at the hotel too, if I knew that someone else (taxpayers) were footing the bill. The PM sure has a enough wonderful experiences for a "NY Times best seller" when he leaves office.
Morris
3 Questions
1. Was it essential for PM Spencer,(and his two sidekicks and business parthners) Shoul and Mansoor to attend a Health Conference, when they are not directly required to do so?
2. Will PM Spencer, Shoul and Mansoor in light of the present economic hardships in the country pay their own bills at the overpriced accomodations they are presently staying at in the US?
3. Will PM Spencer, Shoul and Monsoor give this nation a full report on their stewardship while at this health meeting? In other words what special contribution they made, which could not have been made by the Minister of Health and the Chief Medical Officer who are the official delegates to the meeting?
Mr PM, if you can't answer these questions correctly, then you and your cronies do NOT deserve to remain in office. Call the elections NOW!
Jame
BUT NO MORE!
Stalwart from start
Heads of states
Thats what being a Prime minister is all about and everyone of them look forward to these trips. I can now picture PM Spencer and his boy from St. Vincent Ralph.
Stop hating people it doesn't matter who you put in office, this is what you gonna get. I remember Lovell said one time they don't really pay for first class, they often get escorted to first class by the airline crew when recognize because of ministerial status. Right!
They will all tell you one thing before they get the power but once they got that power, who are you?
Do you think former PM Lester stayed in the Days Inn when he travel? i say NO.
carvaa
SEEN PM SPENCER LATELY?
OO7
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And stop this nonsense about recession. If the ALP were keeping it real, Antigua would have been in an IMF program long before they were kicked out of office. Everyone knows the country was bankrupt during their tenure.
That said, I do have a big problem if Minister Daniel was afforded less salubrious accommodation to that of Messers Shoul and Mansoor, but that is another issue.
Oh Please!
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Antiguan Abroad
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Curious
Shameful
Morris2
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Or are they being paid for by someone else, at an as yet undisclosed cost to the people of Antigua?
Good Job Bob
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