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**Dig It** » 2011-06-10 11:09

Tenman, one of the worst thing we can do as humans is to lose our identity! It is like a "lost soul" on this earth! I have seen it happened to our own a lot of times. They go abroad and "forget where they come from!" Good Job Bob, it seems that you have "sell out" your birthright for fake trinkets on the Pacific side of the ocean! I don't know who your gripe is with, Stanford, King or Antigua (your forgotten island)? One thing I know is that you have an axe to grind! Don't get upset because you bet on black and may have lost it all! Like Tenman said you if you are suffering make use of the "services" where you are! If not, you can always come back home and get the good old home treatment! In Antiguan translation: yu na hab noting to worry bout a tal!

**tenman** » 2011-06-10 08:31

rawr the first 3 letters have been taken from the link included in my post because its believed by the caribarena system to be offensive and describes good job bob. Its the other word for a donkey. If you are unable to access it, you can ask anyone in Antigua who has access to the actual printed paper. As stated its on page 18 of the paper for the 9th
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**tenman** » 2011-06-10 08:12

Good Job Bob its obvious that you feel hurt by Antigua. Why don't you find another method to let go of your pain cause the current method is cancerous. At first when I began responding to you, I thought we could have a good debate, now I see that for you, this is not about a discussion but really about you ranting. I recall you stating that you are now back in the US, why don't you make use of services there which can help you deal with your pain?

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**Good Job Bob** » 2011-06-10 02:32

I'm not so interested in Sir Allen's twin brother (Did you mean Fat xx$ Les$ter?? or Fat xx$ Spencer??) than his Blood Brother, the "King" of Antigua.

When will the next charade, oops, I mean official Legal Antiguan "court" hearing into Mr. Kings next excuse for a continuance of a possible delay at an indeterminable date for the consideration of the alleged interoperabilit y of Antigua's acceptance of it's treaty obligations as it may or may not have allegedly negotiated to agree when it committed it's quite questionable so-called sovereignty as an excuse for it's incompetence (at least) or participation (probable) in chartering, regulating and auditing it's sovereign and indigenous banks owned by none other than Knight Sir Allen.

That's a short and succinct way of saying "It Wasn't Me" in Antiguan, right?

Damn, I haven't spoken Antiguan in a few years, Those misused longass words get me confused as an English speaker. The trial is coming up on September 12th, and I should review my English to Antiguan translation skills.

**tenman** » 2011-06-10 00:37

rawr I am quoting from the paper for yesterday (9th). the url is assets.antiguao bserver.com/201 1/06/Observer_2 011_09_06_No_13 4.pdf as the story begins on page 18

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**rawr** » 2011-06-10 00:09

tenman, I read your comment at the very beginning, where you are quoting the daily observer. However, i cannot find it anywhere. It's not on their website, and no other website in the world has the quotes made by Alliston Seale or by the magistrate. And stranger yet, Mr.Seale is an Attorney-at-Law , not a "Principal Crown Counsel", whatever that is. Could you provide a link to verify this information, because aside from your word, I don't see anything thats backs this info up.

**Smart One** » 2011-06-09 22:44

http://www.nationnews.com/articles/view/free-willy/

This is the link of the article which appeared in the Nation Newspaper. The pictures shows Bill and his wife in the background.

**tenman** » 2011-06-09 18:10

Antiguan Abroad your answer may lie in the portion labelled 29 which basically states after examining the evidence they found nothing direct that implicated the claimant. I spoke to a lawyer today who pointed out the co defendant testimony will not be accepted unless the claimant is offered the option to challenge it.

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**IRD Building** » 2011-06-09 17:53

I don't know if you all remember this, but last year when the gov't bought Cooper's building to house the IRD, people were arguing that the government should not do business with a man who was in trouble with the law. Minister Lovell at the time came out and said that they would check to make sure the the US was not pursuing him anymore. In fact Christian said:
“Because we did our necessary checks, the minister did, and satisfied ourselves that the authorities both here and in the United States would not have any problems with us entering into negotiations with him.”

Read more: http://www.caribarena.com/antigua/news/latest/9050-govt-cleared-to-negotiate-with-cooper.html#ixzz1Ookc4Jse

If anyone in the government bothered to do any checking at all, surely this outstanding US warrant would have been discovered. Instead they had us believe that everything was fine. The government should be made to explain their actions for this. Best deal for the government; please, a year later we are still trying the fix a building that everyone warned was in great disrepair. Shame!!

**Antiguan Abroad** » 2011-06-09 16:38

Tenman, I'm not a litigator, so my current knowledge of evidentiary rules is rusty, to say to least.....but I will say that there is a difference between "hearsay" evidence and direct testimonial evidence from a co-conspirator or accomplice. In fact, there are certain exceptions to the hearsay rule that allow for its inclusion at trial. The fact of the matter is that if an accomplice is willing to provide direct testimony (not hearsay) against someone, he/she will often provide details that can then be corroborated by other evidence. So, my main question was....why would the court have deemed the evidence provided by the American co-conspirators in this case inadmissable in an Antiguan court?

**tenman** » 2011-06-09 14:55

Antiguan Abroad, I always thought that even US courts as a general rule do not accept hear say? I got from the court case with Cooper, that local courts would never find someone guilty only on such evidence. I am made to understand in Maryland and NY(and I am sure there are other states) accomplice testimony must be corroborated.

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**cancer** » 2011-06-09 14:12

Thanks for posting the link, it makes a world of difference.

**Antiguan Abroad** » 2011-06-09 13:43

Tenman, Actually I did not follow every detail of the MBS case...I only know what I read online. But I am saying that testimonial evidence from an accomplice WOULD be allowed in a US court....and as far as I recall reading, the DPP used testimonial evidence to build his case against some of the MBS defendants. So why was such evidence disallowed to establish a prima facie case against this guy (Cooper)?

**PLM** » 2011-06-09 13:37

Another one of the ALP’s foreign neer-do-wells. Foreigners come from where we don’t know; Lester Bird ge’dem de whole ah Scotch Row…

**tenman** » 2011-06-09 13:15

Antiguan Abroad the court in the Cooper matter, stated: "The evidence against the claimant being entirely hearsa y and accomplice evidence, there was no admissible evidence against the claimant before the magistrate on which the magistrate could properly have ordered the commital of the claimant". Can you point out to me how you can conclude that evidence in the MBS matter only involved hearsay and accomplice testimony? Do you recall the DPP, during the MBS case, spending time presenting checks substantiating payments? Do you recall him proving that persons received moneys even when there was no illness? Don't you recall him showing the former MP depositing into his account at least one cheque not made out to him (for his Nephew)? Don't you recall it being proved that there was no law/procedure from Cabinet which justified the payments?

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**Edwino** » 2011-06-09 13:14

Whose photograph is this with the story? It certainly is NOT Bill Cooper.

**Antiguan Abroad** » 2011-06-09 12:53

Tenman, perhaps you and Morris are both right.

Perhaps the US "dropped" the charges against Cooper because of an expired statute of limitation (I believe its 5 years in money laundering cases). In other words, the length of time between the alleged fraudulent act and the bringing of charges is so long ago that he can no longer be legally charged. That does not necessarily mean that he is innocent of the original charges.

As Morris stated (and it is supported by the order in the case that Professor so graciously provided), the Antiguan court did not believe that the US had met its burden to establish that Cooper had committed a crime under Antiguan law at the time....so the extradition request was denied. That does not mean that he did not violate US law, and could have been extradited if he had been caught earlier in another country with extradition treaties with the US. However, as previously speculated, perhaps a statute of limitation ended further activities in this alleged crime.

**tenman** » 2011-06-09 12:28

Morris I think you are confusing matters. The issue with Antigua relates to whether there was sufficient evidence to deport him. Justin Simon was not the AG twelve years ago. The US would not have dropped the charges because of the laws that existed then in Antigua. If that's correct why then has the US laid charges and even found at least one person (Jay Cohen) guilty of what Antigua would describe as running a legal betting offshore operation?

As stated it is the US government who has informed the Barbados officials that they are no longer interested in pursuing Bill Cooper. Let me add that the Observer article also cites the Barbados Nation newspaper as a source.
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**Morris** » 2011-06-09 12:20

I completely agree with you that we have some double standard.

**Antiguan Abroad** » 2011-06-09 12:10

Morris, I concur with your **sment.

I briefly read the case that Professor provided the link to, and it seems that among the reasons Mr. Cooper was not extradited were (as you stated): (i) the money laundering charge was not a crime in Antigua when the US first applied for the extradition request, and (ii) the evidence against him was considered inadmissible "hearsay" since it was supplied by his alleged accomplices. That's a rather odd interpretation of the common law rules of evidence, in my humble opinion, but maybe Antigua has some special evidentiary rules I'm not aware of....though it's interesting to note that in the Medical Benefits Scheme case, neither the DPP nor the court had any problem accepting testimonial (hearsay) evidence from co-conspirators to those particular fraudulent activities, and arriving at a criminal conviction based on those testimonies. Perhaps one can reasonably conclude that exceptions to the rules of evidence are made up depending on the accused, no?

**CountryMan** » 2011-06-09 11:55

Bill Cooper was active when the KGB and other Eastern Europeans oligarchy needed to transform their new found wealth into USD. That is the reason why the commercial portion of Woods Mall had dozens of offshore banks. Now that that money has made its way successfully to Wall Street, the US Government has no interest in prosecuting those who may have facilitated a process which at the time was seen as helping out the drug cartels of Cali and Madelin. What done is done Mr. Cooper is now free to go, but the US Government never bothered to inform places like Barbados

**Morris** » 2011-06-09 11:14

The information that I am getting does not say that the US has dropped charges against him, but more so that we didn't didn't consider his actions criminal since ANU only outlawed money laundering in 1998, and we didn't have any extradition treaty with the US. Perhaps Justin Simon cares more about protecting Mr. Cooper. After all, he was one of the original incorporators of the bank. Anyway, they have already prosecuted the other two that and they are currently serving lengthy prison sentences. He is the only one that is still living freely. At any rate, I will tell you that if the US wants him bad enough they will most certainly get him, just ask the host of others who have been on the lam.

**Smart One** » 2011-06-09 11:01

I red the same story in the Observcer today and they claimed the US is who dropped the charges. Who has this story right and how come he was allowed to continue his flight the next day.

**Professor** » 2011-06-09 10:33

"Little Man" is a Guyanese national that the government used to clean up the bad boys before and during Jagdeo's first term ... He was was wanted by the US but was highly protected at home. He travelled to Suriname on business and the US officials sought him through legitimate means and were not succesful.

Consequently his plane was ordered to return to Guyana via Trinidad and the US officials abducted him from Trinidad and took him back to the US.

**Professor** » 2011-06-09 10:25

Firstly, the Bill Cooper case was not decided 12 years ago ... more importantly he was freed because he was innocent of the charges, the government's representative did not provide the required information to the court ... please read the decision of the court attached
http://www.oas.org/juridico/mla/en/atg/en_atg-ext-juris-wc.pdf

**Dig It** » 2011-06-09 10:14

Tenman, thanks for clarifying that on Cooper! Let us get the facts right! Good Job Bob, I am sorry but I know you are so disappointed on this one! I believe your confusing Cooper with someone else! No, he is not the twin brother of the former Knight! Therefore, please call off your tropes on your witch hunt ;-)

**marco polo** » 2011-06-09 09:38

If report in observer is correct (thanks Tenman), the matter appears closed... The man is not a fugitive....

**cancer** » 2011-06-09 09:37

Uncle Sam no longer want to pursue the matter of money launderiing and wire fraud? Who did Copper sxueal on? Martha and Liitle Kim went to prison for lying! Vic went to prsion for dog fight!!!!
What is wrong with this picture?

Tenman thanks for the follow up sometimes I wonder if Caribarena is sleeping on the job or they have subjected themselves into a spiral of silence!

**tenman** » 2011-06-09 09:31

The US government stated that they no longer wished to persue the case. I know some persons enjoy trying to make Antigua look like a rogue nation but the US has finally seen like the Antiguan court did some 12 years ago, that there was no case or at least none worth pursuing.

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**Antiguan Abroad** » 2011-06-09 09:20

Tenman, thanks for your clarification.. ..the story makes better sense now.

**Good Job Bob** » 2011-06-09 08:31

"Birds of a feather, flock together"

(pun intended)

**Morris** » 2011-06-09 07:41

Thanks to our effective legal system, it appears that ANU is the safest harbor for alleged law breakers to dock their ships.

**my way of helping** » 2011-06-09 07:40

he doesn't live in USA anymore? what were the charges?

**Antiguan Abroad** » 2011-06-09 07:34

Unless there are some important bits of information missing from this article, the sequence of events seems rather odd. If the Barbadian authorities had an active warrant from the US (with whom they have signed an extradition treaty) against this man, why would it be the unilateral decision of the local prosecutor to release Mr. Cooper? Shouldn't this decision-making be in the province of the magistrate or judge, after a hearing of the available evidence?

It's interesting that there was an extradition request that was heard in Antigua 12 years ago, and denied. Perhaps this had some influence on the Barbadian authorities? Who knows.....all very confusing.

**tenman** » 2011-06-09 07:12

The Daily Observer June 9th, 2011 reports:

"After being held in Barbados on Monday and spending Tuesday night in
prison there, US-born William ‘Bill’ Cooper, 71, was allowed to go free yesterday after the court heard the American authorities were no longer
interested in pursuing the money laundering and wire fraud case.. However, Cooper was returned a day early to the court where Principal
Crown Counsel Alliston Seale, who appeared on behalf of the United States government, told Magistrate Douglas Frederick following discussions with the DPP: “We are of the view that we should no
longer pursue this matter.” “I am here to ask that the matter against Mr Cooper be discontinued and that any warrant issued by the court be
withdrawn,” Seale said. The magistrate later said he had documents from the DPP and a diplomatic note from the US which said it was
no longer prepared to move forward with Cooper’s prosecution"
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**skyewill** » 2011-06-09 06:03

Antigua is a great hide out. You would be surprised who else is hiding here. If you born in Antigua and don't have no money to put into someones pocket you will be extradited. Just bring money and we will protect you. Standford? oh him, he had the money but was too smart, so we set him up and took his stuff. How you like me now.

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