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Per Diem More Manageable than Credit Cards

Per Diem Antigua St John's - The question about whether or not Antigua should employ a credit system in the place of the existing per diem system that manages the overseas spending for government ministers and officials has been met with strong resistance.

Caribarena.com took a look in to the matter on Tuesday, and according to a source close to government finance and management, the per diem system provides more benefits than shortfalls when compared to the credit cards.

The source explained that unlike a credit card system, the issuance of per diems actually guards against over spending and abuse something that the credit card would not be able to do effectively.



While the source agreed that the credit card would provide a more detailed insight into the spending habits of ministers and officials who go abroad, it would not necessarily serve as a deterrent for extravagance.

In attempting to explain the process of the per diem system, the source said that per diems are only issued for trips that are approved and, where an individual is traveling, the grade of the individual’s employment status and the length of their stay determine the amount.

The per diems are issued for daily expenses and include mainly meals and accommodation.

“It differs. If you are traveling in the Caribbean it is one rate, if you are going to North America it is another rate and if you are going to Europe it is another, and of course Asia has another rate. At least that is my understanding of how the system works,” the source said.

When asked to provide the exact figures allocated for each category of travel, the source said he could not provide such.

In the meantime however he did point out that while individuals get a per diem to cover their trips’ daily costs, they are not required to return any monies that are not spent, neither are they allowed to claim for monies expended outside of the amount allocated.

For instance, he said if an individual choses to stay in a hotel that costs more than what was budgeted for in his per diem allowance, he or she does so on their own conscience. Likewise, if they opt to stay in a hotel that costs less than was budgeted for then they do not have to return the unused funds.

“They give me a fixed amount so if I choose to go into another type of accommodation, that's my business, I have to foot the bill.”

Caribarena understands that each ministry has an allocation for travel, and each request submitted for travel allowance (per diem) must be justified and a check carried out to make sure that sufficient funds are available to finance the trip.

This means that if the necessary ministry found itself having utilized all or most of its funds on other business then travel through that ministry would be restricted.

Speaking to the proposed credit card system, the senior government finance official said, “It could end up costing the government more,” citing the instance where a credit card could be used on things like unusually expensive hotels and meals that would normally be ignored with a restrictive per diem.

“That is human nature. They are going to book a 5 star property when under normal circumstances they wouldn’t stay there. They are going to have the most expensive meals like sirloin and lobster. So, it could end up costing the government more,” the source said.

He said if government is to even consider employing such a program it must implement very stringent guidelines to govern the use of the cards.

In the meantime, Budget Director Carolyn Charles-Tonge said the there are actually two ministries responsible for the flow of per diem that run through the central government, including the Ministry of Finance and the Office of the Prime Minister.

She explained that the PM’s office handles the “non-established” portion of the process while the establishment department (Finance Ministry) deals with the other aspect.



“It is aggregate. What they (the ministries) have to do is decide what programs they believe are important, and they will make the application, which will have to be signed off by their respective Permanent Secretaries, then their Ministers, then it will come up to the FS’s office to sign again.

Then it goes to the Prime Minister’s office and then it goes on to Establishment, or in the case of non-established where it stays at the Prime Minister’s office who sends it directly to thetreasury,” the budget director explained.

She said the treasury is responsible for the actual payment of the funds based on the allocations made and the individual requests.

What the ministries can apply for is restrictive to the funds available in the treasury, Charles-Tonge said.

Chairman of the Antigua Labour Party Gaston Brown had proposed that a credit card system replace that of the per diem, and he has pledged to foster this program if the ALP is to regain the reigns of government.

Attempts to reach Brown for details on how he proposes to administer this initiative were unsuccessful.



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using a Credit Card

#12 GARRAT » 2012-05-17 09:16

The idea of using a credit card could have some merit once adequately managed. This can be done in some cases. For instance, when an official is travelling to a Country where we have Diplomatic Offices, the Offices could be the custodian of the Credit Card and not the travelling official. Bookings and payment for hotel accommodation would then be done by the Diplomatic Mission, which would get such services tax free. A saving to Antiguga & Barbuda. The quantum of per diem would then cover transportation etc.
ALP WOULD IMPLEMENT AND SHOW CONSIDERABLE SAVINGS.
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skyewill & Vicnes

#11 tenman » 2012-05-09 18:21

skyewill thanks and well said. Vicnes you assume that all government officials who need to travel have credit or debit card. The whole point of this is to be able to easier track their expenses related to the trip. Have no problem with your suggestion for persons who have their own cc's. Vicnes are you aware that the Abtiguan & Barbudan government is currently using a similar system for the PDV caribe People’s Benefit Programme initiative? Each month 1,587 cards are topped up with 215.00 ec for the use of persons in this program
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NONSENSE

#10 skyewill » 2012-05-09 15:31

Pure garbage. every large organization I know use credit card. True if abused then you automatically get caught cause you can't hide what you spend on and if you misuse...Yep you can go to jail. that is why they don't want to change. the old system is outdated just like the people who run the program. Change you clowns...it's 2012
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RE: Per Diem More Manageable than Credit Cards

#9 Vicnes » 2012-05-09 15:27

Tenman, the way how you make it sound, it is like the credit card system is the best thing since slice bread. Now given the track records of the Antiguan politicians, it is 100 percent guaranteed that they will abuse the credit cards just like they are abusing the current system. There will be nothing in place to prevent an unauthorized charge.

The best system for the cash strap government is a "reimbursement system". The MP's will be reimbursed for approved expenses only. That is after they have returned to the island, they can submit an expensive report with all of the legal receipts to substantiate any expense. No hand written receipts. For example, if Spencer claimed that he spent 5 nights at the at the Waldorf Astoria, then he must submit a Waldorf Astoria receipt, and not one that was written by his secretary' or anyone else for that matter.

My company has this system in place for decades and we never have a problem in over 30 years with anyone getting over paid or not getting paid for approved travel expenses. If the expense is not approved, you simply don't get reimbursed.
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It's a privilege to be a politician not a right!

#8 Dig It » 2012-05-09 11:22

When is the last time we hear government ministers and officials have to pay back the state for "overspending" on Per Diem? It is just a "privilege" to be a politician in this country, especially, when you don't have the proper measures in place to curb\stop the abuse! The next politician that say they are "poor" I will scream on the highest peak in this land! Our politicians just needs to know their "limits" when travelling overseas with "unnnessary" large entourage, and, living in luxuries at the finest hotels and buying the most expensive food, drinks and other items! We need to put in big bold prints that they can't live like kings and queens overseas! They are supposed to serve the people and the other way around! Wheather it's Per Diem or Credit Card systems, the focus should be on the "wanton" abuse by those who "dishonest" in not taking total\full advantage of the state's resources!
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RIP OFF ARTIST

#7 THE GODFATHER » 2012-05-09 10:23

All MPs should be aware who they work for, and that their per diem greed is too excessive. MPs that travel to conduct government business uses that access to rob the people more. It is obvious that this access is used to rip off the treasury too! To stop this practice, the protocol officer look after all accomodations from hotel to trasportation. What more would the MPs want?

Many of our MPs demand are excessively high, if all hotel bookings are made, food paid for, and trasportation provided what more do they want? When the same MPs are at home, they may pass in at Brownies to buy a bread, **er and cheese, or eat some fry fish, pick up some fungi and saltfish, or just go home and eat an ordinary meal. So why is extravagant spending necessary? Only, to rip off the treasury, that's all!
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@ Tenman

#6 Dessalines » 2012-05-09 08:49

The Debit cards would be more efficient like you suggested and unused amounts are refunded for the trip.
In addition I would add that we should book the hotels here in Antigua through travel agents instead of making the official take care of his/her own accommodations and if possible pay for the lodging in advance. This would mean that the card would only be used for meals, travel and allowances.
I agree with the official that there is no political will to revamp the system as it is a windfall for some officials who travel frequently.
It's no rocket science, the private sector (banks etc) have an efficient per diem system all we need to do is adopt it and implement the changes.
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RE: Per Diem More Manageable than Credit Cards

#5 Fed Up » 2012-05-09 08:42

The government has such a good credit rating that it can actually get credit cards ??
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CA’s source makes the case for CC

#4 PLM » 2012-05-09 08:14

With individually billed CC’s, MP’s would be responsible for paying the CC bill than requesting reimbursement from the treasury. They would not be able to pocket the difference between the per diem and actual costs (i.e. staying by relatives but billing the treasury for hotel accommodations) . Only actual expenses within per diem and supported by receipts would be reimbursed by the treasury.
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RE: Per Diem More Manageable than Credit Cards

#3 Fred » 2012-05-09 08:04

When you give one a perdiem to North America for US$700 a day, the official could hardly utilise half of the per diem. This therefore means that if the person is travelling for a week, the person could benefit from EC$7000 which should have gone back to the state. How do you manage those excesses ? I gleaned that what Brown was saying is that the credit card is to be utilised for government expenses only and that standard rates for hotel, meals etc should be established and anything in excess to be covered by the official.
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RE: Per Diem More Manageable than Credit Cards

#2 Cool Ruler » 2012-05-09 08:01

No one even mentioned that the government would have to pay interest on any balance on these cards or the cost associated with activation or annual memberships for each card issued. I am quite sure when most of them are traveling to places like the US they use a personal credit card and use the per diem to cover the payment made by the card as most places only accept cards. This way the government doesn’t have to worry about paying interest or card membership.
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rediculous thinking

#1 tenman » 2012-05-09 07:13

Does the person not understand that credit cards or debit cards have limits and the can be changed? The cards should be given only to persons whose duty require them to travel. Once a trip has been approved simply inform the financial institution to top up the card with the approved amount. There is also the option where approved government individuals can simply transfer the approved amount to the card via the banks website. The usage of this amount can also have an expiry date, after which the moneys are refunded to the main account. Of particular interest to me was this portion of the interview which makes it clear that a credit card system is indeed needed:
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they are not required to return any monies that are not spent


The article then shows that we have two separate departments duplicating work (PM’s office & Ministry of finance). Wouldn't it make sense for the ministry of finance alone to be dealing with this matter?
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